Prosecution underway of illegal students

Thu, 09/14/2006 - 4:09pm
By: John Thompson

Prosecution underway of illegal students

Fayette County law and school officials showed Wednesday just how serious they are about weeding out illegal students in the school system.

At a morning press conference, District Attorney Scott Ballard announced that two people had been arrested for false swearing on an affidavit that they lived in the county and their children were eligible to attend Fayette County school. On Sept. 2 Michele Slay was arrested for the offense, and three days later her mother was arrested for false swearing. Both said they lived in Fayette County, but a school investigation determined the actual residence to be in Hampton.

“We hope to present both of these cases to the Grand Jury in December and have trials in March,” Ballard said.

If the suspects are guilty, they could face up to five years in prison, a fine and paying restitution of $855.12 to the school system for the time Michele’s three children were in the school system.

School System Coordinator of Safety and Discipline C.W. Campbell said there were several red flags that caused the system to took into the case. One of Slay’s children admitted they were living in Hampton after school officials had visited the family’s address in Fayetteville and found no evidence of anyone living at the home.

Assistant Superintendent of Operations Sam Sweat said the school system’s approach may have kept some family from even filing affidavits, since the school system has just grown over 200 students this year, instead of the customary 600 a year in the last few years.

The school system and law enforcement officials are still in the process of examining 1,000 more affidavits to determine if more arrests will be made.

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Submitted by Sweet Honesty on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 10:53am.

You know, someone at work told me that there was a time, not too awfully long ago, that Clayton County schools were very good. Is this true? How long ago? And if it is, what happened to the schools since then. And, why can't Clayton County fix their schools? I would love to hear opinions on these questions. Thanks.

Submitted by Legal1 on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 10:54pm.

This is so ridiculous. The Fayette County School System, and law enforcement will prosecute this, but are hesitant to prosecute a Fayette County School Teacher for supplying alcohol to minors, and filing false affidavits. This seems so backwards. I believe the school teacher is a bigger threat to our kids, and the public.

Submitted by Cranky Princess on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 4:43am.

Kimble? If I may quote you; "Call me what you will, but even after moving far, far away to get away from the screwed up politics in Fayette County, I'm still not surprised by the behavior of the city and county officials (especially those in the school system)."

Have you joined this forum to add your opinion or to incite an argument? If you have truly moved far, far away, you have pretty much lost the right to deride the taxpayers of Fayette county on local issues. Again why do you care?

If the Slay's are innocent, as you seem to feel, then they will most likely be exonerated of all charges. I hope with you that they get a public apology. If they are guilty, I hope they and any others caught doing the same will be prosecuted.

Since I don't know these women personally I must rely on the information I receive from the local newpapers. If you don't know these women personally, aren't you relying on the same thing? If you do know them. Bravo for sticking with your friends in a time of crisis.

Submitted by Cranky Princess on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 6:29pm.

You have asked many questions regarding the Slay family and their false affidavits. Per one of several articles in the Fayette Daily News, the first question arose with the 7th grader stating that the family was living in Hampton and would be moving back to Fayette by the end of the month. The Fayetteville police department was asked to go to the home and on the first vist found it empty. On the second visit the new homeowners were present. Not the Slay's. Is this accurate? I would hope to think so since the quotes came from Scott Ballard. Did the family own the property before moving to Hampton? That is a moot point if the new owners were at the address listed. Taxes would have been refunded in the sale. Since the Slay's were arrested in beginning of September they had plenty of warning that there was the possiblity of arrest for signing false statements. Chances are they were not residents of Fayette county in August at the start of the school year.

As a mother I would certainly want to do the best for my children and do whatever I could to ensure they got the best education within my means. I have the utmost empathy for these women. Would I teach my children to lie and cheat to get what I wanted for them? I pray I would never set that kind of example for the very people I was trying to educate, both scholastically and in life. We didn't (and still don't) attend Mass for just the social aspect.

Hopfully, if the information leading to the arrest of these women is false, they will get a no-bill in the grand jury proceedings in December. Somehow I don't think that will happen since the articles went on to state the trial would possibly be held in March.

I feel so sorry for the children. This story made front page news with photos and was on every TV station.

I don't feel you are right to call the residents of this county unchristian. We didn't sign the false affidavits.

I believe we as a whole are very generous county and help our fellow citizens in many ways. How many times must we be expected to "turn the other cheek" without finding a solution the problem?

Submitted by Sweet Honesty on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 1:24pm.

Would I be willing to send my kids to Clayton County schools? I sure wouldn't welcome it, but if I lived there, I certainly would. I would not document lies about where we lived to get them into better schools in another county. It's illegal, and just plain wrong. I wonder if this is the only student(s) to be determined to be in a Fayette school illegally since school started. It's the only one I've heard of. With all the estimations before school ended last year about how many students were living outside the county, surely this is not the only case of an illegal student here now.

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Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 1:54pm.

If the school your child attends does not meet requirments for 2 years
for bad test scores then your child can apply for the no child left behind act. I know that each school that does meet requirments have only a certain number of slots available. It also depends on the level of need for the child applying.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 4:37pm.

That program is useless and you know it. too many variables, and why should the smartest students be seperated from the dummies? Didn't we used to have seperate but unequal?

Submitted by 30YearResident on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 2:13pm.

Clayton County has deteriorated down to almost a ghetto level of gangs, thugs and hoodlums in the classrooms.

It wouldn't be the test scores as much as it would be to get a kid out of that kind of culture and environment.

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Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 2:25pm.

I went to Clayton County schools for a while growing up and it was starting to get bad when I was in high school. But look at Columbine, it wasn't noted for gangs and thugs but the white boys went berzerk and killed several. I guess you never can tell huh?


Submitted by ihaveone on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 1:30pm.

I am sure this is not the only family that has done this. I am for the prosecution, but I still feel that the overcrowding of certain schools are not the out of county students, but the fact that 4 to 3 years ago "special rquests" were taken and students are going OUT OF DISTRICT. That is where my "beef" with the BOE lies.

Submitted by tiktok on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 12:02pm.

According to the 2000 census there were 435,000 hispanics in Georgia and approximately 200,000 to 250,000 (45-57%)were "undocumented."
The 2004-2005 figures from GeorgiaDOE show the Fayette school system hispanic student population was 4%. The Fayette County BOE places the current school population at approximately 22,436 and at a 4% rate, that works out to roughly 897 students. Now if you use the minimum percentage of "undocumented" hispanics then at least some of those students in the school system are "undocumented." At 7,303 dollars per student per year according to the Fayette County BOE if even 40% are "undocumented" that comes out to around 2,620,316 dollars a year.

Now I don't live in Fayette so I really don't have a dog in this fight. I saw the story on the news and it made me think. What it made me think was how it could possibly be ok to arrest American citizens for sending their kids to school in the wrong county when the same county has to pay to educate the chldren of people who shouldn't be in this country in the first place.

Now, I am fairly sure the courts have said that school systems have to educate the children of "undocumented" indviduals. Yet, American citizens are arrested for sending their kids to schools in another county in their own state.

If someone could explain to me how this makes sense I would appreciate it.

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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 12:06pm.

In 1982, the court ruled in a Texas case, Plyler Vs. Doe, that all children have a constitutional right to a public education, regardless of their immigration status.

P.S.

Some states even give them "In state" tuition status, so an American Citizen from Georgia going to say USC must pay out of state, but an undocumented person just across the border gets in state, go figure.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 3:27pm.

Kids shouldn't be educated due to their parents being undocumented? Charge them out of state tuition to discourage their education, They are not from a state.
I suggest we also do the following: sort out all dummies at 5 and send them to Texas hill country into cabins; if you end up poor at 21, send to Haiti; have a skin color detector down to the 1000th shade, and if you don't read at least 90% light, send to Liberia; if you make less than 1200 on your first SAT test, go directly to the army infantry as a major; base hourly pay on the color meter also, anything below 1100 gets 5.00 dollars per hour, more as score goes up, all the way to 6.00 dollars; if they make less than 1000 on SAT, put them on the Supreme Court as a Conservative representative.

Submitted by tiktok on Thu, 09/21/2006 - 9:41am.

You missed the point. I want you to explain to me how it is aceptable to ARREST U.S. citizens for sending their kids to a school in the wrong county while ignoring the fact that the same county probably educating the children of people who are in this country, not the county, the COUNTRY, illegally. And despite what you may think or wish, entering this country without following the proper procedures is just that, ILLEGAL.

I'm not saying the parents who are sending their kids to school in the wrong county should not be punished but it does seem twisted to me to go after our own citizens with such zeal while giving the citizens of another country a pass. And yes, that includes charging American citizens out of state tuition while debating giving
in-state tuition to citizens of, say it with me, ANOTHER COUNTRY. Just remember you don't have a problem with that if your kid decides to go to another state to attend college.

By the way, I like how you try to make it a racial issue instead of a legal issue. You even managed to get in a shot on the military. Bravo.

Submitted by rmoc on Thu, 09/14/2006 - 10:25pm.

Hey My kids were at Lovejoy and My family sacrificed to move to Fayette County at 70K more for a smaller home. If you can't afford it homeschool....It is like she took money out of my pocket. If she stole $500 dollars from your personal bank account would you persecute?

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Submitted by kimble on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 11:34am.

I think the questions to be asked, that haven't been answered here are:

Did this family own property in Fayette County _before_ the start of the school year?

If so, had they paid their property taxes up until the end of the year like I had done when I recently sold my house?

Because if so, they are paid up until the end of the year. Period.


Submitted by tonto707 on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 4:28pm.

property in Fayette County is not a license to enroll your kids here illegally. The requirements are that you live here, period, owning property is not eve required.

Taxpayers in Fayette County should not foot the bill for kids that live outside the county, and I don't entertain whiny liberals who would impose an undue tax on me to educate someone else's kids.

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Submitted by kimble on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 1:21pm.

And for the record, I AM NOT a whiny liberal.... far from it.

Did the family LIVE in Fayette County at the time of the affidavit signing?

Perhaps you shouldn't put too much faith in the comprehensive investigative journalism of the citizen* and question the things that you read. (This is one thing you might have in common with 'whiny liberals")

I have a really good feeling that their side of the story has some interesting facts, especially since neither they are their lawyers are speaking out about it.

Remember, we have only heard one side of this story, and I for one am not going to be so quick to judge and take sides with the DA. (Remember.. innocent until proven guilty.) Perhaps one should look into how many cases this particular Scott Ballad has successfully tried recently?

I think it will be interesting to see if this case goes anywhere. I hope that it gets just as much attention when the family is cleared... in fact, I'd love to see the day that they offer a public apology to these ladies and to the taxpayers of Fayette County for wasting their money on a case that should have never been tried in the first place.

My bet is with the Slay family. Call me what you will, but even after moving far, far away to get away from the screwed up politics in Fayette County, I'm still not surprised by the behavior of the city and county officials (especially those in the school system). Even sadder, though, is that I still find myself shocked by the hypocritical and very un-Christian behavior of many of it's self-righteous citizens in a case like this, where we still haven’t heard the other side of the story.

*Note- this is sarcasm, but I’m aware that it’s a small publication.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 4:52pm.

Our taxes wouldn't be reduced one penney if a few out of district kids were denied, but they should be on a basis of principle. The problem is that so many are allowed here, legally (work here, etc) No one understands that. If 30 kids were denied, I would love to see the cash saved (I guess 75,000 dollars, per the detractors). There is a constant cost to run a school system, and the only time the cost goes up substantially is when a new building has to be built, otherwise another teacher or two mean little. This is the USA, not Georgia or Fayette.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 7:39pm.

There is nothing in the constitution about education. Public education is a states rights issue. Our state has a funding formula that requires we have students in districts. The only state with ONE district is Hawaii. 30 kids would be, at minimum, $210,000 per year. Every year. If you think the cost of operating a school does not, or has not increased you don't understand pay raises, the cost of utilities, and the cost of food, water, sewage and maintainance increases. An entirely seperate funding model is used for facilities. Kids are not denied the right to attend school anywhere, including Fayette County where several students attend on legitimate affidavits or under the homeless act. Socialist priciples that everyone is 'entitled' to the same everything, like going to schools in other districs flies in the face of why the people in this county pay so much for so little house. Welcome to the real America.

Submitted by Hardtack on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 6:58am.

If the few illegals (not the employees kids) did reduce expenses you would have a point. They wouldn't. The saved money, if they could find it, would immediately go for salaries, etc., supplies, trips. Nothing would reduce our taxes. By the way, why is "two women" being prosecuted for their kids going to Fayette County schools illegally. Is this another case of no Father? Seems to me that these women have enough on their plate without a Father.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Thu, 09/14/2006 - 7:37pm.

In one sense, these two women were breaking the law and they should pay for it. After all, they lied and cost us Fayette County taxpayers money. It may make others think twice before doing the same thing.

Also, it's probably a good thing that they didn't arrest and procecute a "minority" as the test case.... you'd hear screaming from one end of the country to the other of (get ready...) "racism".

However, on the other hand... these women were doing what they thought was the best they could for their kids.

Heck, would you be willing to send your kids to a Clayton County school?

I think I might have risked it myself.

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Submitted by nuk on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 7:07am.

Look, I don't want to foot the bill for anyone else either, but you make a very valid point that has troubled me ever since the whole debate got attention in the last year or two. How is it so WRONG to want your kids to have the best education possible? I know the costs of 7K a year and all that, but please, there has to be a better way than throwing someone in jail who wants their kid to have a better public school education.

I put the blame for this big ugly on the BOE who has acted as arrogantly and non-responsive as some of the worst BOE's of the past, and that's saying something. Due to their neglect and pure arrogance, this issue has turned into a "big situation" that could have been prevented and handled otherwise if they had dealt with it way before now.

NUK


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Submitted by Newsboy on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 3:45am.

NUK WROTE: Due to their neglect and pure arrogance, this issue has turned into a "big situation" that could have been prevented and handled otherwise if they had dealt with it way before now.

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS: How has the Board of Education acted "arrogantly" toward this issue? Seems like this is a fairly aggressive response, and at the right time too ... The issue is not new (it was around when I was in high school 20+ years ago) and only in the past 3-4 years has become so high-profile, thanks to Clayton County. But also, until recently there was no legal mechanism in place to aggressively enforce the residency policy. Is that neglect? Or responsibility?

AND FOR THE RECORD: When you refer to school board, do you mean the actual five-member elected panel that sits up there at the front of the room once a month? Or the day-to-day folks who actually run the schools and work for Dr. DeCotis? Because the BOE by law has no authority to initiate policy or programs, they just approve or dissapprove what the administration brings them ... You may think I'm being smart and it doesn't matter, but at election time BOE members can take the heat for a lot of things that are out of their control.


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Submitted by nuk on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 8:52am.

"Because the BOE by law has no authority to initiate policy or programs, they just approve or dissapprove what the administration brings them"

That is EXACTLY what they are supposed to do! Set policy and procedures and then let the schools administer them. They aren't supposed to get involved in the day-to-day aspects of individual schools, but they sure do set policy. That's the whole purpose of having the BOE. You might want to read what the BOE does here:
http://www.fcboe.org/board/boe_index.html

As far as arrogance goes and how it relates, the BOE turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the non-resident issue the past couple of years. People would call and call and be ignored. So, the people got into a froth and now want blood. If the BOE had bothered to return phone calls and acknowledge the problem, it wouldn't have got to the point of parents following other parents home and in general stalking them.

Another issue with the BOE is how arrogantly they decide the school calendar. Here's your choices: Aug 1st, 2nd or 3rd. WHich would u like? OK, that's a slight exaggeration, but I think it illustrates the lack of choices whatsoever and their zeal to sneak-in year-round schooling without "officially" stating it.

When I refer to the BOE, I'm referring to the BOE. The elected members and the staff that works for them. Decotis works for the BOE. The elected members are his bosses.

NUK


Submitted by tonto707 on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 4:29pm.

there will be minorities caught in the same situation before this is over.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 4:47pm.

There are over 1,100 students in Fayette Schools on an affidavit. At 7k each..... that's over 7.5 million bucks. At 40k per teacher that's 192 teachers salary for a year (divided by 28 schools that's nearly 7 teachers per school). Adds up fast, huh? Those same two 'liars' that were caught teaching their kids to break the law might like your car for their child .... but just can't afford it ... got any solutions? Somewhere those students are being funded by property taxes and federal funds - that's where they should be in school. Let it be known that the vast majority of the affidavits are legit and we absord those costs - which is fine. If they truly want to go to school here - let them overpay for their property in the county like everyone else here has to.

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Submitted by kimble on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 10:23pm.

The following line leads me to believe that some school system somewhere failed you:

"Those same two 'liars' that were caught teaching their kids to break the law"

It shows that you are ignorant to the fact that just because these women were arrested doesn't make them guilty. You are ASSUMING (and we all know what that makes you) that they did not own property or live in the county at the time of signing the affidavit.. you are also ASSUMING that if they moved out of the county, they still might have paid their property taxes until the end of the year.

But go ahead, be the judge and jury for these two poor women based on the one side of the story that you've heard.

I, for one, am going to wait until the judge makes the decision on whether or not any laws were broken. My experience with the FBOE in the past leads me to believe that they, along with Ballard, aren't exactly the smartest, or even most thorough group of people. But then again, I'm sure my experience was just an isolated incident. Maybe not.

But either way, if someone does live outside the county and do what these women are ACCUSED of ALLEGEDLY doing, then they should have the book thrown at them.

"Liberty not only means that the individual has both the opportunity and the burden of choice; it also means that he must bear the consequences of his actions. Liberty and responsibility are inseparable."
~Friedrich Hayek


Submitted by Hardtack on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 7:06pm.

I assume you mean "on an affidavit" means they are not from Fayette, regardless of why. How many of those are legitimate? Are they teacher's kids, workers at the school kids, etc? I don't really know what 7.5 million dollars for these "affadavid" kids has to do with the few that have been caught that are illegal.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sun, 09/17/2006 - 7:27pm.

As I stated, "let it be known that the vast majority of the affidavits are legit and we absorb those costs -(( be they from Fayette or not)) - which is fine." I THINK the majority are probably teacher's kids and the like.....and ARE legitimate expenses but I don't know ... and neither does the County. According to what was said in the paper - that is exactly what they are trying to find out. As for the 'few' that 'have been caught' - I have no idea how many have been caught or will be caught. The point I was trying to make is that the numbers add up very quickly. Figure the average property tax bill, compute the portion for school taxes, realize that none if any of those families pay for the entire 'legal' student expenses of their own students (7k per student per year)and you can see how even a few false affidavits can negatively impact your school taxes. Just sharing the numbers Hardtack. Hope that clears things up. We need to watch every dollar. We already pay 21 thousand a year for a family with three kids legitimatly here (minus the school tax portion of their property tax bill of course.)

Submitted by Hardtack on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 6:52am.

You are trying to criticize the payment of the high amount of your school taxes by pretending that a few "illegal" students cause it. That is just bloviating because you think someone is getting away with something. I told you before, the school administration would spend just as much as they do now if all of the illegals left tomorrow, somewhere. There simply isn't that many of them. If you don't want the employees of the school to be able to bring their kids, just say so. This is one problem that I think the school administration does keep to a minimum. Also, when you have good schools, that is where parents want their kids to go when they can't afford to live here. Hard to be 100% in this sort of thing when you let in any.

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Submitted by kimble on Fri, 09/15/2006 - 11:37am.

Yes,

I too wonder how the letter S was among the first affadavits to be investigated.

It surely raises my eyebrows.


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