PTC sets Tuesday workshop, called meeting, on concerns about TDK Extension

Fri, 09/08/2006 - 6:46pm
By: Cal Beverly

Proposed Coweta County Developments of Regional Impact Proposed Coweta County Developments of Regional Impact

The Peachtree City Council will have a public workshop Tuesday, Sept. 12, 6:30 p.m. at City Hall, to continue discussions on proposed large-scale developments in eastern Coweta County and the TDK Boulevard Extension project.

The Sept. 7 regular Council meeting included a briefing from city staff on the status and scope of three proposed projects near Peachtree City’s western border, all of which have been submitted to the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority (GRTA) as Developments of Regional Impact (DRIs).

The Twin Lakes development would be located in the city of Senoia, and encompasses 760 acres. The plan includes 663 homes, with primary access from Rockaway Road and Stallings Road. The project is estimated to create 5,926 automobile trips per day by its completion in 2012.

GRTA has approved this project, as has the city of Senoia. However, GRTA also placed several traffic improvement requirements on the city of Peachtree City, including intersection improvements at the following intersections: Ga. highways 54 and 74, Rockaway Road/Hwy. 74, Hwy. 74/TDK Boulevard, and the extension of TDK Boulevard into Coweta County.

Peachtree City sent a formal protest of this decision in 2005 because it obligates the city to funding projects for a development over which it had no control.

A second project, planned for the town of Sharpsburg, has also received GRTA approval. The 486-acre project includes 800 single-family homes, 69 townhomes, 100 assisted living units, 152,000 square feet of retail, 43,000 square feet of office space, and a 10,000-square-foot day care center.

Primary access to the project would be from Hwy. 54, McIntosh Trail, Reese Road, and North Road, with an estimated 15,049 automobile trips per day by 2011.

In addition to various improvements within Fayette and Coweta counties, the GRTA Notice of Decision requires that TDK Boulevard be extended to intersect with McIntosh Trail, as well as the widening of McIntosh Trail from two to four lanes from TDK Boulevard Extension to Hwy. 54. GRTA is also requiring the installation of additional turn lanes at Hwy. 74 and Crosstown Drive.

The third project, currently under consideration by GRTA, is the McIntosh Trail Village project in unincorporated Coweta County.

This development encompasses 1,600 acres, and includes 3,000 single-family homes, 164 live/ work residential units, 946,050 square feet of retail, and 119,650 square feet of office space. The proposal shows primary access onto McIntosh Trail and the TDK Boulevard extension for the estimated 43,953 automobile trips per day by 2016.

According to City Planner David Rast and City Engineer Dave Borkowski, many of the improvements are only partially addressed by the Georgia Department of Transportation’s (GDOT) plans for widening Hwy. 74 South inside Peachtree City.

The DOT plans were developed without consideration of the GRTA requirements, leaving the additional improvements to either the developer, or possibly the city of Peachtree City.

Staff is also addressing a letter to the GDOT asking that they incorporate GRTA’s requirements into the plans for the Hwy. 74 widening.

Following the presentation, the mayor and council asked the city attorney to research the legal requirements imposed upon the city by GRTA’s approval of two of the three projects, and the ramifications of halting the TDK Boulevard Extension due to the impact of the additional traffic on Peachtree City.

Council has invited officials of other area jurisdictions and organizations, including Tyrone, Fayetteville, Fayette County, Senoia, Coweta County, the Peachtree City Airport Authority, the Fayette County Development Authority, and the Fayette County Chamber of Commerce, to attend the Sept. 12 workshop and provide information on their support for and concerns about the pending projects.

The workshop and following meeting are open to the public.

The meeting Tuesday night will include follow-up information from the city attorney on the city’s obligations and options relative to the TDK Boulevard Extension.

Once the design of the road is completed, construction of the portion of the roadway east of Line Creek would be performed by Fayette County.

— Edited By Cal Beverly from a news release from Peachtree City Public Information Officer Betsy Tyler e-mailed Friday afternoon.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Mon, 09/11/2006 - 10:24am.

TDK Boulevard: Statistics Show that New Roads INCREASE TRAFFIC

PTC Council to have Special Called Meeting to Debate Future of TDK Road

As reported by the Citizen, the PTC Council will meet Tuesday 9-12 in a
Special Called Meeting to debate the wisdom of expending substantial city and
county funds for the construction of TDK Boulevard into Coweta County, in light
of recent revelations that a 10,000 person community has long been in the works
in reliance on the road.

QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED:

(1) WHY is this road needed ?

(2) Now that the Highway 54 Project has been completed, has there been
substantial improvement of inter-county traffic such that TDK is not longer
needed?

(3) Should the Council study this matter further before (a) potentially
affecting our city and county in an adverse manner and (b) wasting tax dollars;
and

(4) MORE FUNDAMENTALLY----- when you build new roads, do you make traffic worse
or better ?

This blog is presented to share the perceived answer to #4: New road
construction will almost always create a NET increase in traffic.

It can fairly be debated that building roads to reduce traffic actually accomplishes the opposite. ([1] ”The time has come for transportation officials to stop making congestion relief claims to bolster highway proposals. Not only has road construction proven to be an ineffective congestion relief strategy, but it is an expensive one as well.” The Texas Transportation Institute; [2] “Roads lead to sprawl and sprawling development leads to more driving. New roads rarely relieve congestion and in many cases actually make things worse.” http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/report00/roads.asp; [3] "Trying to cure traffic congestion by adding more capacity is like trying to cure obesity by loosening your belt."
http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/roadbuilding-futility.html).

Two factors in the cause are known as (1) INDUCED TRAFFIC and (2) LATENT DEMAND (each of which is mentioned below). Many commentators have noted this strange result for 50 years: “The simple truth is that building more highways and widening existing roads...does nothing to reduce traffic. In the long run, in fact, it increases traffic. This revelation is so counterintuitive that it bears repeating: adding lanes makes traffic worse. This paradox was suspected as early as 1942 by Robert Moses, who noticed that the highways he had built around New York City in 1939 were somehow generating
greater traffic problems than had existed previously.” http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/roadbuilding-futility.html

What are the stats to back this up? Two good examples in looking at TDK are Atlanta and the State of California. The Southern California Association of Governments concluded that traffic-assistance measures, be they adding lanes, or even double-decking the roadways, would have no more than a cosmetic effect on Los Angeles' traffic problems. Stats to back it up.....According to a 2000 study involving detailed analysis of 34 California counties over 22 years, the Cervero concluded, through sophisticated statistical methods, that every 10% increase in highway construction produced a net increase of 5.6% in traffic. Build more roads, the problem got WORSE, for 34 counties over 22 years. Cervero, Robert and Mark Hansen, Road Supply-Demand Relationships: Sorting Out Causal Linkages, October 2000. INCREASES TRAFFIC !!! No more graphic example can be shown by the Coweta Development, poised to kick in when (but only if) local governments spend huge sums of money to build the TDK Boulevard.
USA Today published the following report on Atlanta: "For years, Atlanta tried to ward off traffic problems by building more miles of highways per capita than any other urban area except
Kansas City…As a result of the area's sprawl, Atlantans now drive an average of 35 miles a day, more than residents of any other city." (Note: the study is 6 years old; thats why commute times have skyrocketed— proof of the central thesis.) This is the first factor: INDUCED TRAFFIC. When the roads are widened and speed up, development speeds up and overwhelms the capacity and usually produces a net increase in traffic.

The other factor is known as LATENT DEMAND. “Since
the real constraint on driving is traffic, not cost, people are always ready to make more trips when the traffic goes away. The number of latent trips is huge--perhaps 30 percent of existing traffic. Because of latent demand, adding lanes is futile, since drivers are already poised to use them up.” (Donald D.T. Chen; "If You Build It, They Will Come…Why We Can't Build Ourselves
Our of Congestion." Surface Transportation Policy Project Progress VII.2 [March 1998]: I, 4.)

CONCLUSION

Probably the most sensible advice for the PTC Council comes from the Surface Transportation Policy Project, a group in Washington, D.C., that tracks public transportation use. According to the STPP's Roy Kienitz communities considering large projects ''should think long and hard about whether more roads are really the answer.''


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 4:00am.

Read Cal's story carefully and somewhere in the middle is this gem

"... the mayor and council asked the city attorney to research the legal requirements imposed upon the city by GRTA’s approval of two of the three projects, and the ramifications of halting the TDK Boulevard Extension due to the impact of the additional traffic on Peachtree City."

What the city attorney will say is they can stop the TDK extension (in PTC) if they want and their only legal requirement is to provide roadway improvements essential to public safety. Nowhere is there a requirement that one government entity spend their money to alliviate traffic problems caused by development in another county. Exhibit A is the 30 year old traffic jam on Johnson Ferry Road where it crosses the river from Cobb County. You'll notice they still built thousands of houses in Cobb County and many continue to use a woefully undersized road, but I digress.

So all of you who don't like Mr. Resse's development and the thousands of cars on TDK can go Tuesday night and tell Mayor Logsdon and the others why you don't like it and what they should do. It is obvious from the above quote that they are predisposed to kill TDK extension if they have a reason. Now it is up to you all to give them that reason by attending a council meeting and getting council's attention - with reasonable arguments - not just the whining and complaining we see in these blogs.

Personally, I'd prefer to see the road extended because of the increase in value of the land on the PTC side of the road, but I won't be speaking Tuesday - just listening.


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Submitted by Steve Brown on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 9:49am.

There are no legal ramifications from the decision made by the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority (GRTA) regarding Twin Lakes (Senoia) or the proposed Pathway and Reese developments. I was personally involved in the Twin Lakes DRI and GRTA suggested that we build TDK if East Coweta wants to explode with growth. There is no mandate to construct the road.

I also disagree with the increase in value of the land on the PTC side. Traditional growth patterns, as we have seen in North Metropolitan Atlanta, extend growth hot spot further out, leaving decline in its wake. This pattern has been called "death rings" as each new ring of growth occurs, another layer of the inner core dies. Cobb, Gwinnett, DeKalb and Fulton all have examples. Our next growth ring is Southeastern Coweta and the SR 16 corridor. SR 16 is undergoing massive improvements - there is a reason for it.


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Submitted by mudcat on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 7:14pm.

Good job at the seminar you went to on the city's dime. However, you paid attention and even got some of the buzz words. "Growth hot spot" and "Death rings" Perfect repetition of a long-hair academic's ideas who got $100 to give a speech to an audience in need of hearing something that sounds good.

Fact, growth rings apply to large metropolitan areas - like Atlanta.
Another fact, we are not Atlanta.
Final fact, death rings occur when residents move out of the area - not when overpriced commercial moves. Overpriced commercial is usually replaced with the next level down and the community survives - even thrives.

Don't try to be an intellectual person.

And yes, Bobby's point about increased value has already occurred with simply the announcement of the Reese and Pathway projects. We have multiple contracts at more than full price on land that has been sitting for years.

This is still a development town and no one can stop it.
meow


Submitted by Jones on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 7:46pm.

Mudcat, the self proclaimed expert, says the area falls down to the next level and "survives - even thrives." Braelinn Village Shopping Center would make a great surviving - even thriving Big Lots Superstore Center.

Your example of the big dollar land contract must be the $2 million Pathway scam the mayor arranged. All development is good to pro-develop-everything Mudcat.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 11:06am.

PTC development is similar to the Fayette County Sheriff problem with dope money, and maybe other unusual things. They simply can't be controlled as long as politics and the party in power hold all of the money, influence, and backing from people who don't understand the real objectives.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 8:08am.

Four lane TDK now, don’t wait two or three years to do it.

Four lane Macduff Parkway and use it as the “PTC Bypass to Coweta” that it should be.

Use the GRTA plan as a tool to get:
74 widened to 6 lanes from 54 up to I-85.

Fix the ramp at the 74 / I-85 interchange.

Install a truck ramp just north of the Hwy. 74 / I-85 ramp.

And while you’re at it, get some form of revenue generating businesses, (via taxes), into PTC. If you think we have trouble paying for what we need now, just wait.

P.S. Anybody in favor of Mass Transit now?


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Submitted by Steve Brown on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 10:05am.

In regards to bad_ptc's comments, I would not suggest forming MacDuff Parkway into a by-pass type road. Obviously, there will be some "over flow" traffic using the road in the event that SR74 should back-up. MacDuff might also be used as a less stressful way to reach the big box stores and restaurants with people living in Kedron and Tyrone.

I can easily see why you would want the by-pass; however, I believe there is just too much residental in the area and it would cause tremendous problems down the line.

I agree that SR 74 north needs to be widened, but do not hold your breath waiting for it to happen. Remember the SPLOST talks? A lot of the issues that I wanted to stress were tossed out. Those issues, in light of what is going to happen in East Coweta, are going to rise to the top. Do not forget that the bridge at the intersection of SR 74 and I-85 is not due to be widened until 2025. That will kill us, especially knowing that Fairburn is going to add another four to five traffic signals on SR 74.

I worked on banding together all of the government jurisdictions to force the issue on the interchange. Unfortunately, all of those efforts have fallen through.

I would love to discuss the mass transit issue with you later ... have to leave for an appointment right now.

Steve Brown


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