All Smiles,

I am not sure that this is tongue in cheek or not. Is it?
Are you suggesting that someone like Smith "turned in" Jordan?
As unlikely as that seems, so what? Does that excuse what was done?
Does it make what was done any less illegal? Bruce Jordan from all accounts is responsible for what is happening to him. It also appears that this is a pattern of abuse of position that has been going on for much longer than we would like to think. Are you defending this behavior?

the District Attorney has requested that the state Attorney General appoint someone to conduct the investigation, and that is totally proper and should result in an impartial result.

All you blood thirsty dudes will have to wait for the outcome, so posting is now a waste of time.

Tonto,

Scott Ballard is smart to let the state handle this. He is so far in bed with the Sheriff that he has no chance of being impartial.
At least he has the intelligence to distance himself from it before he gets caught too.

Aren't you one of those staunch supporters of the sheriff who jumped all over anyone who dared to criticize the FCSO during the recent primary? It was the Dunn and Wells crowd that was telling people that this stuff was going on and that was why the drug monies had to be accounted for with accuracy. You (and Git Real, and bad_ptc and PTC Guy) did not want to hear it. The sheriff could do no wrong. Maxwell and Smith had to be elected because they could get along with the sheriff and that was all that was needed. Now we find out that all of the alleged abuses have basis in fact. So why not keep the debate going here. Are you afraid that it might actually prove those people right? Heaven forbid.

Oh by the way. I heard from a marshal friend that their jobs are safe. Seems that Maxwell and Smith met with Randall and told him they wanted to "roll" the Marshals positions into the Sheriff's department. Randall told them to stuff it!! So much for getting along. You need to seriously re-evaluate your position.

To your credit at least you have not run from this debate like the other people mentioned above. They are suddenly no where to be found. Interesting.

"Seems that Maxwell and Smith met with Randall and told him they wanted to "roll" the Marshals positions into the Sheriff's department. Randall told them to stuff it!! So much for getting along."

I think there's more to this than meets the eye.

First, I believe the criteria for being hired as a County Marshal is much more relaxed than for the Sheriffs Deputies. There are some current County Marshals that just would not qualify.

Second, I don't think that Sheriff Johnson would want to allow the Marshals to be integrated into the ranks and keep their current pay and senority ... that would be a bad move and a slam on the County deputies that would be effected.

If the Marshals were brought in as a sub-set department under the Sheriff, it might make more sense.

Word is Ballard has two of the sheriff's drug-purchased vehicles to drive and the keys to his gas tanks and the Sheriff backed Ballard mightily. There is no way Ballard can look into this one without his own strong ties to the Sheriff coming to light.

“Outside” Lawyer from an “Inside” Lawyer?

DA Ballard appoints an outside lawyer? Will the inside lawyer getting an outside lawyer make a difference? Are we going from “Whitewater Bruce” to “Whitewash Ballard” ? Just another one of the “Bruce Perks”……He doles out a brand new car to the DA….Does he have to do that? No--- he has control over the cars and only the favored few get one and only Bruce knows where all these cars and property and money go. This is exactly what Mark Pulliam was trying to at least oversee and regulate when he got the Bruce and Randall one-two. Randall: “At least I didn’t whip him.” Bruce: “You, sir, have earned a night in MY jail.” You are right—Ballard and the whole crowd are beholden to Bruce and will make sure there is a whitewash. Lots of perks around the courthouse crowd by Randall and Bruce (including courtesy taxis, traffic busting speed escorts for Westmoreland, etc). You gotta pay to play. That is why when Randall retires in the middle of a term, the Probate Judge will appoint a ham sandwich (Or Bruce) on Randall’s orders. Why not just cut through that charade and give Randall the appointment? I’m justwondring….

Why is it a waste of time to post now? Educating people is a waste of time? Bringing information to light is a waste of time? What is your deal? Are you a Johnson/Jordan lap dog as well?

As for your blood thirsty remark. If wanting justice and wanting what has been covered up for the last twenty years to be known then so be it; blood thirsty we are

Cases that are closed will have no impact on the outcome of Bruce's mistake.

Cases that are closed will have no impact on the outcome of Bruce's mistake.

Well maybe fortunatly everything will be up for grabs and fairplay in this one. Due to the DA calling for an investigation into the Department EVERYTHING is game

Do you know if any of the parents of the other kids from this team are commenting? Just curious.

This is from the front page of the other Fayette paper this weekend. The article quotes the D.A. as stating he didn't feel it was appropriate for him to look into the matter. It also states that on Friday the D.A. wrote a letter to the Attorney General's office and asked that a special prosecutor be appointed.

Was the "County Credit Card Used" on this vacation?
For Gas, Food, Anything?
Anyone check this out?

Bruce provided security for the Whitewater Creek Country Club from 6PM to 6AM, 7 days a week several years ago.
Cost, to Whitewater Creek Country Club, over $60,000 every year.

The guards, were deputies, in Fayette County Sheriff uniforms and drove Fayette County squad cars.
Cost, doesn't matter the taxpayers paid for them.

Bruce didn't have to leave the County for that one.
This has gone on for years.

How those officers earn money when they are off duty isn't our concern.

Whitewater country club paid alot for them.

If you need protection for your business you can call the police or the sheriff's office, and for 30 dollars an hour, you will have all of the protection you need.

As long as you have deep pockets security is never a problem. It is your money you can spend it as you see fit. It is their free time, they can spend it as they see fit.

When they are off duty, they don't cost the taxpayers a dime.

Police officers all of the country work "extra duty" assignments.
The assignments are scheduled thru the police department. From my experience, the officers are paid in cash. A certain portion is their's to keep and a set amount is paid to the police department. All appropriate paperwork must be filed.

This is a perfectly legitimate practice and personally I would want there to be a real police officer where there is a need for security instead of a rent-a-cop armed with a walkie-talkie!
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I'm a spiritual being having earthly experiences

I would guess that most of you do not realize how many of our officers, in the cities and the county, provide security for local businesses. They are not on the taxpayer's dollar when they do it, and the cost to the businesses covers the officers pay and the use of the police vehicles. When these officers are on this "special duty" (again, on their off-time), they are in uniform, and can still make arrests, etc.

What businesses, you ask? Both the movie theaters. The Fayette Bowling Center. The Fayette County Board of Education (for school sports and dances). And the Amphitheater in PTC. Just to name a few.

"The cost to the businesses covers the officers pay and the use of the vehicles"??? Whom do the businesses pay the cash to, please? How is it split up? Who pays the liability insurance, the oil changes, the depriciation? Does any civilian organization take a cut? And a hundred more pertinent questions. Is this procedure covered by any kind of regulation or law?

I must assume you don't mean this, literally. There are just hundreds of things they COULD do that most of us wouldn't want them to do. We do need to pay them as much as the job is worth however in order to get better people.

I could pay you to accuratley predict the weather. Which is what I want.

There are alot of things you could do in your free time, that I don't want to think about. But what you do in your free time is not my problem.

Cops have been providing off-duty security for years, as muddle has said.

Right. Makes it OK, I assume. No direction, no laws, no rules, no favortism, well managed. Who are you trying to snow?

I have stories about run-ins that my own kids have had with less than brilliant or virtuous cops. (I've talked about this here before in an earlier post.)

But, generally, their job is indispensible. And the vast majority of them are good people of high integrity concerned to preserve the peace.

I would pay significantly higher taxes--I mean this--if this was required to increase the salary and benefits for our police officers who protect us. The men and women who are doing this often thankless job simply deserve it. Their role in society ought to be valued more highly than it is.

The pay and benefits in Fayette County should reflect the fact that the community highly values an excellent police force.

And the fringe benefit for us is that there would be a sort of "selection pressure" that would help to assure that quality people were on the local force. This would help to weed out the occasional uneducated redneck.

With rising crime in the area, we should start a movement, rallying around our local cops, encouraging and supporting them with a view to excellence in police work.

I assume you mean over zealous. Not their virtue. We do need to start hiring police officers who are trained as well as an old Canadian Mountie used to be trained, and had the common sense of one. We do have too many who operate "by the book or chief's way." Then weed out the least effective and valuable (including management) and raise the rest's salary by at lest 30%. We wouldn't then need nearly so many, either. For instance, if a mature cop brought my son or daughter home to me personally when they screwed up, instead of a ticket for court all of the time, I assure you I would have much more respect for him and the law. I wouldn't want to see him coming the second time. For that kind of cop I would go to the extreme. I saw it as a young man.

Hi, Dopplerobserver.

(By the way, I'd love to know what the name means. )

It looks as though your question is a result of my own lack of clarity. I intended to suggest that some are "less than virtuous."
(And, of course, this is not to discount the majority who perform their duties in ways that are quite "virtuous.")

Does this make sense?

There was an inventor named Doppler. He invented the doppler effect. The doppler effect is a way of measurement by the change in sound. Get it?

Thanks.

Actually, I understand the "Doppler effect"--which distinguishes objects moving away from me from objects moving toward me (and plays a major role in confirming the Big Bang theory).

I just wondered why you chose that. Are you a meteorologist, for example?

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The Surfer: That was me in '73!

Lest this thread turn into a discussion about my kids and my parenting skills, I would like to redirect it to the important point:

Fayette County cops should be compensated with highly competitive salary and benefits so that *this* is the coveted place to work if you are in law enforcement. This puts local agencies in a position to hire only the best, highly-trained and professional college-educated men and women. And it entitles citizens to demand the highest integrity in local officers.

Violent crime *is* on the rise here. We need more cops, and they need to be the best there are. And if this entails an increase in taxes, I'll be the first to plunk down my change.

are having run ins with the cops, are we to assume your kids are a chip off the old block?

Well, first, perhaps you didn't notice, but my post was in support of law enforcement.

And one or two posts up I had another one, reporting that I grew up in the home of a cop.

I began as I did, speaking of the "run-in" to offset a post and ensuing discussion I had some time ago that people might remember.

You seem to have a mindset such that, by definition, the cop is always right. But this was a bad cop who needed to go down before he hurt someone. Fortunately, he was taken down as a result of the "run-in" with my boys.

This was a situation in which a cop was belligerent from the beginning of a traffic stop for speeding. The whole episode is a long--and old--story, which I've shared in detail here.

But he wound up arresting both of my sons for "obstruction." The charge against the younger son was immediately dropped. My older son went to court. It never made it to a jury. The judge dismissed the case. Further, the cop was fired for what he did (falsified his report, ditched the video from the cruiser, pepper-sprayed my older son and even got my younger son's 6-month-old baby (in the back seat of his car) with some of the overspray. And this incident was not the first in which he had mishandled things and attempted to "manhandle" a citizen.

What I really love about the story is that, after he was fired from this podunk police force (a small town near here) he went to another one a couple of towns away. He worked there for a few months until he was pulled over while off duty in Henry County and arrested for a DUI. The Henry County cop's cruiser caught him giving the cop a *very* hard time and bragging that he would get the charge dropped because he knows how to manipulate the courts.

He is now banned from law enforcement in the state of Georgia.

And, yes, my sons are both chips off the old block, Tonto. I'm very, very proud of both of these fine, young men.

Do you have anything useful to add to these discussions tonto or are you really that ignorant

Muddle are you one of those parents whose kids do no wrong? Tell me you are not one of those, pleeaaase....

Usually when parents say their kid had a run in with cops, it screams to others that their kid did something wrong.
I know as a parent that is hard to accept.

Part of supporting our cops, is accepting their judgemnt when they bring your kid home to you.

There is a group of parents in my neighborhood who for years have lived in denial, and claimed that their boys are good kids. Their "good kids" have now "graduated" to breaking and entering and arson. Not good at all.
Tell me you are not like them muddle.
I have you on a pedestal. Especially since you are a madtown alum.

Absolutely not. You might have gleaned from some of my posts that I teach ethics (among other things). And I have always tried to "bring my work home."

Please read my reply to Tonto.

I'm inclined to think that Tonto is one of those who thinks that a cop can do no wrong.

the comment tonto made was

"If your kids are having run ins with the cops, are we to assume your kids are a chip off the old block?"

Chip off the old block isn't useful. Nothing more than a cheap undeserved shot at muddle.

If muddles kids did something then they did something. I'm sure muddle handled it in only the way muddle can.

I took his comment as a good natured jab. The kind most of us throw here.

I didn't realize he was being mean.

I love muddle, but he is from "madtown" Those kids were pretty wild in the day. I am from Wisconsin, and still remember.

Fortunately, by the time I reached Madison, I was already a family man and there for a Ph.D. I never ventured into the frat houses.

But Madison could make "Animal House" look tame. John Belushi would come off as Mr. Rogers in that environment. UW-Madison has consistently been voted best party campus in the U.S. News.

I also like Garrison Keillor's comment when he came there to do a "Prairie Home COmpanion" show: "Madison is the only place I know of where there are groups advocating the rights of lesbian whales."

That's not too far off.

And a former Wisconsin governor once quipped that Madison was "54 square miles surrounded by reality."

(Here's the real mystery: How does someone survive a Ph.D. program in the Madison philosophy department and come through with even deeper Christian convictions and politically conservative views?)

I guess if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.

Understood skyspy since you are a good natured person as well from what I've seen. Me on the other hand am not as good natured and can pick out the cheap shots. Keep your good nature skyspy

We need them more than they need us. We do need to support all of our local deputies and police. They are the only thing standing between us and Clayton county.

They have a skill that more of us need. We need to be protected.

We need to pay them what they are worth so they can live on it.

You kill me sometimes. You have no idea how hard these guys work do you?

You didn't quite cover all of the details. Does the cop get paid the full amount? Is he allowed to use county vehicles? Just how is the money and equipment accounted for? Is it like the Church and school duty? If they work all night can they work for the county the next day?

It is their day off. The 30 bucks is just a guess. Just like fireman work extra on their days off also. They do painting, carpenter work, yardwork etc.

My Dad, a career cop, did this sort of thing for years.

Because it pulled him away from his family, he often took me (his only child) along. I have great memories of cruising the grounds of expensive golf communities or codos with him. He would work all night on the pier in Pompano Beach, Florida, and I would stay out with him.

It was extra money for the family and, as you note, it does not cost taxpayers a dime.

It's a shame that they have to do it. We don't pay them enough for putting their lives on the line for us everyday.

Oh yeah, Beverly Watson worked there too, you know, the lady that was murdered!

Did Jordan and Watson know one another before he headed the murder investigation into her murder? If so, I don't ever remember that being said before. If they did, what was their relationship ?

VERY INTERESTING

The answer to your question "biggun" is yes.

Yes, you are right God is in control. I have known of things that Bruce has done for years to others and to my family personally. I have had to sit back and let God be in control of the situation because if it were up to me personally , Bruce would have had to answer for what all he did to us and so many more. So for years , I have had to pray and leave it in his hands, which has been so hard to do but I know what is right.My biggest obstacle in the Bruce and his followers situations was praying for patience because I wanted them to be accountable then, but it has taken years for any truth of him to come out. God does make people accountable for their actions , it may be sooner or later. There are consequences for all that we do. Yes, we are all sinners and that is why God allowed Jesus to die on the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins. But that doesn't mean that it is ok to keep abusing others all the time which Bruce is so faithful to do. I do as God commands, pray for my enemies and I have prayed for Bruce and his followers . I know that God can use this for something good but Bruce also has to be accountable for all the wrongs that he does and I am praying that the truth will come out. Just don't be so nieve. It's not that people are devising schemes to persecute Bruce, they are just telling the truth which has been so hard to do because Bruce does such a good job in covering up all the bad that he does. This is finally a point where the public finally is able to hear and listen to things he has done to others in the past. So many have been in fear of their lives and their family's lives to ever speak up before, but now since he is in the spot light , he can't really do much to them now.

You are throwing stones again.
You just can't get off Dunn.
Don't you have a kitchen to clean,
or some shopping you need to do?
If not, I understand. Do What you have to do.

Have a nine day!

Sorry to keep throwing stones but that is one guy that just crawls up my spine! I cant be at home cleaning or out shopping because i'm at work. Some of us do have to work ya know.

Sweetpea you really need to give it up. You cannot blame this on Greg Dunn. He did not have anything to do with the misuse of funds.
That was Bruce, period, end of story. You can try to deflect the blame for this from your friend (husband, employer, former whatever,)but it simply will not work. Despite all the claims you make, Dunn and the Commission only wanted accountability. Seems to me that they were right in realizing that some wrongdoing was going on here. I wonder how many people would like an election "do over"

is not what she pretends to be.

Who am I pretending to be?

Are you suggesting that sweetpea is someone who is out to get your brother?

Is the answer "who is Jim Watson's daughter?"

NUK

Who the heck is Jim Watson?

Never mind. I guess he wasn't on Oprah or other major TV news events.

NUK

Still never heard of him but then again I work so I dont get to watch alot of TV during the day like some folks do.

If there's ever anything you don't know...try 'googling' it. Anyway...Jim Watson was found guilty and sentenced for killing his wife. He was a one time Riverdale cop...the daughter sided with her father and last I heard ran his business here in Fayette while he's busy trying not to drop the soap in jail. Jordan played a big part in the case...at least he was on the news every night talking about it.

Google

youtube lynn westmoreland

You and 150,000 other people will see it.

Okay, now I know.. He killed Beverly Watson. I knew her name I just couldn't remember his..Yes, that is the guy that followed Bruce and his family around for a while stalking them.

Need to be careful what you go digging up.
Sometimes skeltons are better left alone.
I know there are people that know more about
this than you do. Walk away... Leave it.

You seem to like sitting on the edge.

Again, Have A Nice Day!

Leave sweetpea8870 alone Boss! She is asking questions about things that she is either unfamiliar with or can't remember at the time. That is called "learning". Get familiar with it Boss. Everyone will be learning a lot in the next few weeks about this matter.

It also seems in my opinion that you would like the Watson case left out of this. Any particular reason?

There is nothing I would like more is for a lot more of this to come
out. But there is a right way to do this and a wrong way. Some things
should only be told to the feds, they call it surprise, you know what I mean. I have a lot more at stake here than a lot of you. I was under this ????/?/// for about //.;/ years. There are too many, many, good people at the SO. But there are also a lot of good people that have been run off or out of state. It has to come to an end NOW.
And if you know anything it's not just "BRUCE", as I said before, there is the click, the hatchet guys, the do the dirty deads, and get rewards and favors. Remember "QUILTY BY ASSOCIATION". CALL THE FEDS I HAVE POSTED IT TWICE. SORRY ITS UP TO YOU AND THE PEOPLE.
God Bless
Remember - "UNITED WE STAND - DIVIDED WE FALL"

I understand your stance on the matter. However I if I am reading it right and understanding you on this; you were involved in some way shape or form, and please don't misunderstand me on this. I don't think you were involved in anything illegal. But you know more than you are saying and seems like you will not say at all.
Your quote: CALL THE FEDS I HAVE POSTED IT TWICE. SORRY ITS UP TO YOU AND THE PEOPLE.
Makes me think you will not do as you are telling us to do.
Am I wrong in this?

He wants help in a payback. If there are FACTS, nothing else, OK, but if not, forget it.

You all need to do what you need to do.
I have done all I can do. Like I keep Saying.
"U N I T E D W E S T A N D, D I V I D E D W E F A L L"
Belive me, I have been to them. It feels good.
As I said you do what you need to do. But the blogs they are just
a way some of you to vent, go home and drink a beer.
This is serious, we may never get a chance like this again.
You have to go to, or make a call or send an email.
No one is having trouble taking cheap shots here, but this does not
remedy the problem at hand.

And the last time I checked I wasn't having a conversation with you!
I didn't want to then and I dont want to now!!

I know alot more than you think and by the way, I know who I would like to bury...

I have watched you and your friends play
word games all afternoon "THE WATSON CASE".

You don't play well with others I see...
From Your Remarks, You Must Have A Very Long List.

I Think You Had A Bad Day At Work Today.

Go Home, Have A Nice Evening!

I’m not a supporter of Dunn but if he is the only candidate, so be it. The problem I have with Dunn is he is power hungry. Dunn wanted law enforcement control by making the Marshals the law enforcement entity of the county, making the Sheriff a jailer. I don’t like that one bit. I would rather vote every 4 years on one person, the Sheriff, to control what is going on in the community. One man, the Sheriff, having to deal with the voters every election. Not voting on 6 different people over a dozen years to control the law. (The county commission) Besides, they have other things to do than run law enforcement. And who says they know how to run law enforcement in the first place. Find one man and elect him. If he doesn’t do the right job (and he knows this) vote in the next guy.

If thats what it takes to get Bruce out of there, I am all for it!

Bronson, please update with email address. I went to the site you have posted and it went to the sports page.

iteamatlanta@foxtv.com

Bronson, please update with email address. I went to the site you have posted and it went to the sports page.

whacked

This is the e-mail address to send the I-Team any information on the subject. If you want to go to their website and view the news stories by Dale Russell, go to myfoxatlanta.com.

I would pay money to see the FBI agent's face when he gets that call.

Yea, Me too. I bet Bruce would also like a picture, but he would take the money out of the Federal Drug account

Why???? Are the FBI involved with the good ol' boy network too? I would much rather see the look on Bruce Jordan's face when he got the call or visit from the FBI.

You should step away from the kool aid