This is exactly why I moved out of East Fayette 3 and 1/2 years ago. Too many criminals(Thugs) coming over from Clayton and Fulton Counties and it seems to be getting worse with our lousy economy!
I now live in Senoia and it is very safe.
If and when I get to retire we are going to move to Rabun County where crime is virtually non-existent!

on crime between Coweta and Fayette, and get back to us...you might be surprised.

I'll help you get started, the last numbers I saw reported show 685 total crimes for Fayette and over 1500 for Coweta. Rabun County with a population around 1/7th of Fayette's had over 200 total crimes. I'm going to assume you can do the math.

It's not perfect here, but it's not like some think.

I really feel sorry for you. Sad that you have to keep on running. Crime will follow you where ever you go.

is a federal offense.

Definitely not the same place we moved to in '87.
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We came in '86 and have surely seen changes. Now wouldn't it have been neat if that Post Office employee had been armed and dispatched the two criminals on site!

Those robbers could have just hit the postal employee with a brick to the head and stolen his/her gun (perhaps shooting the employee for good measure). One more gun for the bad guys.

I think you should move back to Canada where it's safe and you don't have to put up with all these guns.

Please take your moose with you.

If Mapleleaf thinks the way you want, can he/she stay? What about American Citizens who don't agree with you? Do they have to leave too?
Just wondering what your point is.

I read your post more than once, looking for YOUR solution--guess it slipped right by me. And history tells us that two rounds center mass quickly dissuades one from the brick idea! Besides, it's hard to swing that thing when you're flat on your back!

I think Maple must be descended from the French, and we all know their solution to aggression, surrender.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

The gun nuts apparently live in Fayette County, and they attack the French, Canada, and whatever they can.

Aren’t they ashamed of living in a county named after the Marquis de La Fayette who, during the American Revolution, served as a general in the Continental Army under George Washington, was wounded during the Battle of Brandywine, served with distinction in the Battle of Rhode Island, and blocked troops led by Cornwallis at Yorktown while the armies of Washington and Jean-Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, comte de Rochambeau, prepared for battle against the British? (Source: Wikipedia.)

They also seem to think it is more brave to walk around with a concealed handgun than without one. What kind of bravery is that?

After repelling invasion attempts by the Americans, Canadians became strong U.S. allies, which they still are today. The French warned us not to get into Vietnam, where they had been first and where we lost (even though we have normal trade relations with Vietnam today as it has not turned out into a particularly hostile nation). The French advice was good advice.

The French also invented the guillotine. And it’s the gun nuts who have lost their head.

The moose, as it turns out, is from Alaska.

LMAO. Who had to save that nation of utter cowards twice last century when they decided they preferred surrender over freedom?? Surely you can come up with some kind of better example for your argument than anything to do with a bunch a gutless pukes like the French who are only a danger to those who happen to be a female attempting to walk around undisturbed in public or those who don't enjoy rudeness from sissy-men and terrible hygiene.

The only lessons to be learned from France are ones of "here's what a bunch of losers did, don't try this at home."

stuff is that he DOESN'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT!

I realize that the original premise of this argument is gun ownership; but, you brought up the 'history lesson', the guillotine, and French men of honor. So...allow me the folly of running with this history summation into a different tangent.

First, no one denies the heroism of those you named. However, since you brought up the guillotine, I feel it is relevant to mention another French figure from that era - Maximilien Robespierre and the French Revolution.

Leading up to the revolution was a familiar volatile financial and social climate. The French were funding involvement in two wars: the Seven Years War and the American Revolution. The burden of this huge war debt, an unfair system of taxation, high unemployment, virtually no internal trade, high imports, low exports, customs barriers, and high bread prices led to the plight of the populace. The flippant remarks by Queen Marie Antoinette and her inadequate husband King Louis XVI led to the uprising of the starving masses.

Waiting in the wings and quick to take their place was Robespierre. His efforts began as a lead into the revolution but quickly became one of terror - a 'Reign of Terror'. Robespierre's 'favorite political philosopher' was the socialist Jean Jacques Rousseau. The tactics of Maximilien Robespierre knew no mercy and employed inquisition style torture and terror. Eventually he was put to death by the very devise he adored - the guillotine.

This has been said of his death: "Thus perished a man who had been a successful, popular, and cultured provincial lawyer but who gained power in turbulent times and was able to pursue certain unproven social theories with a singleness of mind that could tolerate grievous human suffering if it was perceived as necessary to the realization and defense of a theoretically ideal society." (from - Maximilien Robespierre biography, ageofthesage.org)

The French Revolution and the rise and fall of Robespierre led to the replacement of monarchy to socialism, a concept that set the stage for Napoleon Bonaparte.

The moral to the story is be very weary, when going down the path of change, that you do not substitute one evil for another. If heads are gonna roll make sure it's worth the while.

I know that this has little to do with gun rights, but you left me the opening and I took it.

With all due respect,

Shannon Dawn

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

The biggest difference between you and I, is the fact that while I don't care if you have a gun or not, you seem to care greatly whether or not I have one. I would allow you one but you would not accord me the same right. Cars kill more people then guns do every year, yet you do not cry about that fact. I would like to hear your thoughts on that, but you seem to avoid that argument.

Your argument about bravery is stupid, it's braver to run around the interstate highway on foot then it is in a car, but it's also foolish.

BTW, I think the US has repaid France more then adequately over the years by freeing them from the Germans, not once but twice I might add. Reviewing history, it might be a good idea for all the French to learn German, never know when the US might be to busy to save them again.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Guess I'm the outcast here...I'm part French & I have a carry permit.

Tug

I'm part French and part Creek. I guess that makes me Freek!!

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

I guess I'm done for... I'm French/Irish!

Tug

Tug!!!!!
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How are you? What state/country are you in tonight?

Take care...I gotta' watch House!

Tug

I'm at home but will be in Salt Lake City tomorrow.
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Not sure it is germane to anything here.. I mean did you research the name of the State, County, and city before you moved to it?

If you did that is level of anal retentiveness that means you should seek treatment soon.

But somehow I feel being anal retentive is not your problem.

btw.. I never come to battle unarmed.. but you do.. So don't pick fights you have no chance of winning..

The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. ~~Patrick Henry
"Illegitimus non Corborundum"

broken the code!

Hello Maple how does the battle.. Fireing shots again.. but wait I guess not since you are against us nuts.. So I guess I should say.. Throwing stones again?

The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. ~~Patrick Henry
"Illegitimus non Corborundum"

I’m curious to know what you guys think of this. I met you both and value your opinions, but I go back and forth about the 2nd amendment and how it affects my family.

I worked with pilots well before and well after 911. I remember the battle that pilots faced in order to carry a gun after 911. I remember one particular first officer had disclosed to me he was carrying a gun, and I was literally sick to my stomach. I didn’t trust this guy to fly the plane, let alone have a gun. At least there was a captain in charge of the plane, but this moron had a gun.

Also, when my children were small and just starting slumber parties, I constantly had to worry about whether people were responsible enough to carry a weapon. After all, my children’s lives were at stake. Just looking at some of the posts here, people are so quick to respond “they should just shoot ‘em.” In their heads, they think it is always so cut and dry, but realty is not always so neat and tidy. The number of variables to each situation boggles the mind.

It scares me to think that some of the people I meet can own a gun, although I will admit I feel better knowing certain neighbors have them.

Years ago, when attending night classes at GA State University, I realized how useless my gun was. I owned a .22 Iver Johnson with a clip full of hollow points. I know...a .22 doesn't pack a lot of punch, but all I needed was something that could give me enough time to get away if necessary.

Working full time during the day, I had to fight rush hour traffic to get to school by 6:00 and often the student parking lots were full by the time I got there. Too many times I had to park way down on Decatur Street or down Edgewood Ave. This meant that later that night when I got out of class, I had to make the dark and lonely walk to my car ... 3 or 4 blocks away.

I left my gun in my car for various reasons one of which was that a University is considered a government building.

One night, after a Spanish literature class, I was walking down Decatur St. to the parking garage when two men (one white & one black) made their "Hey, Baby..." comments. I averted my eyes and crossed the street. I never noticed that they had followed me until I got into the ground level of the garage.

First, they asked me for cigarette. Then, they asked if I wanted to "party" with them. Remembering that a dog will chase you if you run, I faced them and politely explained that I had worked all day, been to two classes, and still had to go home to study and get 2 hours sleep. I thanked them anyway for their offer - thinking that a polite, nonchalant response might fair me better than rudeness. The whole time my mind is racing....the elevator is all the way over there, my car is on the 4th floor...Oh my God, my gun is in my glove box in my car. Fortunately for me, their real purpose was to panhandle me for spare change (which I gave them). I was stupid to walk alone, lucky they meant me no harm, and concerned that when the whip came down...my gun did me no good whatsoever. I had campus police escort me after that.

I believe in the right of citizens to own guns and believe that any politician bent on taking away that right should have an unarmed Secret Service. I sold my gun when I had children, but have no problem with those who carry - it's not my place to make that decision for someone else. But I do think that the mentality should be one of self defense - not judge and jury. Shoot to defend your person and the ones you love - don't shoot to play vigil.

Jevank, I understand your concern. But, what scares me more than knowing that people carry is knowing that within one mile of my home (and children) there are 12 registered sex offenders. 12!!! That poses more of a threat to my family than the neighbor that owns a riffle.

By the way, Jevank, it was a real pleasure meeting you the other week.

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

What a story! I see you as a very reponsible gun owner. Did you see on the news a couple of nights ago on cars being broken into strictly for guns? I don't know if the car is the best place to leave a gun, although I don't have a better answer. Maybe the colleges should have a "Check Your Gun" desk as you enter.

It was nice meeting you too.

Gun control has never worked.. Look at Washington DC.. one of the highest per capita murder rates violent crimes as well as property crimes..

Learning how to use and defend yourself is vitally important. That being said I do feel like a self-defense course should maybe not be mandatory.. but offered and once taken a discount on the cost of a CCW permit.

The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. ~~Patrick Henry
"Illegitimus non Corborundum"

See G35's post--I pretty much agree with that. BTW, Kennesaw has never seriously that law they wrote requiring gun ownership but I agree that knowledge that targeted victims may be armed would be a deterrent for some wannabe criminals.

I too wondered about the second amendment. So I decided to do some research. The most compressive research that I could find was a book called "More Guns, Less Crime" by Harvard Researcher John Lott. Studying gun laws over a 10 year period he showed that each time an area changed it's laws to allow law abiding citizens to carry the violet crime rate dropped. I've tried to find research that disproved his findings and have found some that claim his research isn't valid, some that claim Mr Lott is a cross dresser (Like J. Edgar Hoover) but none that have done any research as in depth that offers a different finding. I mean look at what happened in Kennesaw when they adopted a law requiring gun ownership. It seems that just the threat that a victim may be armed causes most thugs to choose a different target.

Now having said this I do believe that there should be some requirements to be allowed to carry. Beyond the current requirements I'd like to see a training requirement so that the person has some idea of how to keep and carry a weapon. In Mr Lotts book he claims that gun "accidents" are almost non-existent in the homes of law officers. Why? Because they have been trained as how to keep and use weapons correctly.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Thanks for your response. I was mostly interested in your thoughts on the requirements to carry. Do you think people should go through psycological testing too? I do feel LEOs have enough training. Should the general public go through the same training?

To be honest, I don't put a lot of stock in statistics, nor do I intend to read books recommended. I'm just looking for common sense opinions in order to decide where I stand on this amendment. I know common sense and government aren't usually used in the same sentence, but I digress.

I think our current background checks along with a class on the proper way to handle and care for a weapon is enough. I'd refer to research to make my point but you don't seem to "put a lot of stock" in research. I on the other hand feel that statistics are the only way to look at gun control to make an unbiased decision. Both sides will have stories that favor their stance. But in the end which way is the most beneficial for the most people?

There was a time when a considerable number of people had guns and used them with caution. Around 1951, my mother, who came from Kentucky and was an excellent markswoman resorted to shooting out a picture window across the street. The people wouldn't heed her many requests to keep their dog at home that was coming to our house and tearing up the newspaper. They kept it home after that. She, like many of her countrymen knew very well how to use a rifle, our insurance paid for it and the man admonished her with, "Now, don't do that anymore." The Revolutionary War was won by our excellent marksmen that Washington called to bear arms. Back to my mother, she was a den mother for the cub scouts and took her troop out in the woods and taught them to shoot with rifles and gun safety. All parents were aware and welcomed the lessons. We've turned into a bunch of scaredy cats that want to roll over for people who never cared about their childrens upbring. I for one will not tolerate being a victim. I regret I may have to take anothers life but it's their choice. The sad part is a person would not get a fair trial in Fulton or Fayette.

I understand your concerns about a fair trail. But as the old saying goes "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6".