into the wrong Fayette County citizen at the right time. I know there are dozens if not hundreds of Fayette County citizens who routinely traveling this county armed as I am. I see many of them at Autrys, which means they are keeping up with their proficiency with their fire arm. Its only a matter of time before one of these thugs comes face to barrel with one of us who have had enough of this. Then the headline we have all been waiting for will make or day, probably even our week, as we all get our much deserved satisfaction while we read the citizen and sip on our morning coffee. When this happens it is going to be very important that we rally around this person and affirm his or her actions as being what our community wants.

No, people need to stay put and fight the crime that is coming in from Clayton county. We moved here from Peachtree City temporarily while searching for a new home to purchase. Before moveing here, I wouldn't even consider searching for a home in the 30214 zip code, but now that I've lived here, right across the street from the Pavillion, I've changed my mind.
It is nothing like I had previously thought it would be. I shop at the Pavillion and it's just fine. There may be lots of folks from Clayton County there, but as long as they are shopping and not committing crimes, I don't care. I do take notice of my surroundings at all times, but I do that in any public place.
We have driven all around the area looking at houses and we have realized that most of Fayette is still a great place to be. We have also found a house that we really like and it is in this zip code. We just worry about the future if people run "further south" leaving rental homes behind and the increase in crime causes property values to plunge.

My family has lived in 30214 since 1975, it is not all bad for sure. If scared people run then the problem will grow. So stay put and send the bad apples to jail and keep on living.

"No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"...

How about,

"No Person Allowed In Establishment With Hoodies."

This should include all places of business.

I've always liked my hoodie! So does this mean I have to give them up so I don't scare the community when I walk into an establishment?

If it's their rule, you would have to comply.... and so would I, if I were trying to mimick the dress code of a CRIMINAL! (Do you wear your britches down to your knees as well?)

So let's just get it out there. Normal and PTCGoil and Spyglass and Evil Elvis and, unfortunately, Skyspy (with a special shout out from poms mom) could not wait for the next opportunity to bring race to a crime story; Evil even argued the made-up roll of David's mom out of a premature need to get to the apex of the argument (pun intended). Why? Because before this robbery we had a 17 year old non black man torturing a horse. And before that we had an adult non-black man robbing a drug store. In the drug store, your absolutely non-racist team even falsely attempted to portray the non-black perp as a black perp with "with the foot of white society firmly on the throat of this poor misguided soul". To further distract from the non-blackness of this story's perp, Joe kawfi even cut and pasted a "Well, here's a black criminal in Arkansas!" story in the story of a non-black local criminal. Wheww! Brilliant! And a mouthful! But the race of the non-black perps was avoided like the big-knuckled strip search guy at a TSA checkpoint.

Here are a couple of fire side chat topics, or points to ponder as it were:

If racial demographics are important in developing profiles of criminals and their behavior:

Why did you not mention racial demographics before or after the discovery of the horse torturer's identity, Normal? Spyglass? Pomsmom? Skyspy?

You all commented. You spoke of the "person" and "misguided teen". NORMAL, you even became the excuser in chief!

"Most everyone deserves a second chance."

"Wouldn't just one of you hard core bloggers like to know why a kid would grow up to do this."

"So we have a choice to try to help and fix this problem or just lock him up."

Gee, "NORMAL". With black bank robbers, "This sinking country of ours needs profiling so bad, what will it take." But with non-black (AKA white) 17 year olds that shoot horses thrice with hunting arrows, we need to have a kumbayaa moment. Oh, and no need to mention raial profiles of those prone to skin cats or drown dogs or shoot horses (Mike Vic, why'd you have to skew the curve?!?)

Skyspy. You especially confuse me. We've had the talk about there not being a need for hyphenated Americans. But then here you guys come bringing the hyphens into the story. Or cheerleading those that do, Skyspy. But we don't show consistency with any crime stories of non-blacks. I don't get it. I should not say I'm an African American, but y'all should feel free to bring race to the fore in a crime story?.

Let's chat about it, because I'm confused by the inconsistency. Are demographics of crimes important or not? Sometimes? It depends on if they look like you or not?

Kevin "Hack" King

Yes, blacks on average earn less than whites. But poverty is no excuse! I have so many Latino American friends; some legal....some not. And they will pick up leaves, lay cement, wash dishes, or cars, or dachshunds to raise money before they would ever consider stealing a penny! Why are we too cool to find even the most menial of jobs? Why do we black men too often not hold the feelings of our kids, wives, parents, or friends in such high regard that we would NEVER consider shaming ourselves before them? Why do we glorify gangsters and drug dealin? We should be mad as hell too. We should be fixing our cracked foundations. I understand why people are ticked.

The WE is US. Those who have a different skin pigmentation do not shoulder this responsibility. This is a problem of the parenting in the black community. The white community has the same problem - but not to such a degree as the black community. Much of my volunteer time has been spent in Atlanta - where the need is overwhelming! There is a need for black/male mentors in many Atlanta schools. What many do not realize on this blog is that most of the 'blacks' who have moved to Fayette County did so because they have the same standards and goals as the residents in the county. . . and are just as concerned about 'crime' as they are! The bank on New Hope is my bank also. A criminal would not give me any 'slack' because my skin is black - believe me! Most here have expressed that they are against 'crime' and not against 'blacks'. (Some haven't been quite able to articulate that thought)

An excellent post! A great place to start is, for those with the time and desire to make a difference, is the Big Brothers Big Sisters program. If you are currently too busy raising your own children - then do your job there and do it well.

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

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I never commented on the bank robbers. I commented on the piece of crap that shot the horse. Now I will comment on the two pieces of crap that robbed the bank. Put all 3 of them in jail for a long time and don't try to figure out why they did the crime.

Just when Beverly's website and his bigoted nut-job commenters have me on the verge of puking up my morning grits and eggs, Kevin King rides in here and temporarily redeems this whole squalid operation.

Kevin, you crushed the nail on the head -- and in a practical and unobtrusive way so that even the bigots had to pause (at least for half of a second). You even had me thinking to myself, 'well maybe Cal Beverly is giving us a service... because this website allows people like Kevin to stand up. The bigots don't get people like Kevin's perspective at stormfront or the 'read my lipstick' network.'

But then I remembered that Kevin -- the man obviously in the right -- is one of the few bloggers here who happens to be decent enough to use his real name. The bigots he detracts (including his so-called 'friends' like skyspy) hide behind the white hood of anonymity. And Beverly lets them do this. Shameful... a stain on our community far more severe than the occasional crime that occurs in any county with a population of 107,000.

I can't wait for all you white flighters to pack up your handguns and move to Pike County. Just please take Cal Beverly with you.

Sorry. Time is tight so I have to do a shotgun response (pardon the pun this time).

Howard and David'smom: I agree with you both that black criminals get treated differently in the bloggosphere than white perps. But that in no way means the angry commenters are all biggots. Skyspy has welcomed me into sky's house and circle of friends as if I were a brother. But Sky like Elvis and pomsmom and Git and all of the other bloggers are mad that crime is coming more frequently to their back doors.

Now let's pull off another scab: WE ARE BRINGING IT in many cases. Why? Yes, blacks on average earn less than whites. But poverty is no excuse! I have so many Latino American friends; some legal....some not. And they will pick up leaves, lay cement, wash dishes, or cars, or dachshunds to raise money before they would ever consider stealing a penny! Why are we too cool to find even the most menial of jobs? Why do we black men too often not hold the feelings of our kids, wives, parents, or friends in such high regard that we would NEVER consider shaming ourselves before them? Why do we glorify gangsters and drug dealin? We should be mad as hell too. We should be fixing our cracked foundations. I understand why people are ticked. I'm just asking them to show discretion in the expression of the anger that they most understandably have.

Git, I am much, much, much more likely to have to defend myself against a man that looks like me as opposed to a man that looks like you. I know that, and that reality sucks. I don't know the answer........ I just don't.

A little ‘cover’ for Hack

'Wall Street CEOs defend pay practices' Please point out the ‘black guy’ sitting at the table. These four clowns alone cost us U.S. citizens, white, black, yellow and green over $100 BILLION!

'AIG Board of Directors' Please point out the ‘black guy’. They only took us for $180 BILLION!

'GM Board of Directors' Please point out the ‘black guy’. They only took us for $39 BILLION!

'U.S. Bailout, Stimulus Pledges Total $11.6 Trillion' Someone please show me the ‘black guy’ and don’t say Obama. He didn’t dig the hole, he’s just trying to fill it in based on what a bunch of white guys are telling him.

So much for two ‘black guys’ robbing a bank.

and he only took $1.4 TRILLION from us

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?... I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" ~~ Patrick Henry
"Illegitimus non Carborundum"

Bad,

Let me get this straight - You are comparing CEO and BOD's that were given taxpayer money by the government to two thugs that just robbed a bank at gunpoint?

"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams

Being robbed via a gun or some other means is still being robbed is it not?

Greed is greed regardless of the reason how one gets there.

The banks and Wall Street essentially held a gun to the heads of every U.S. citizen and then extorted the money from all of us.

If you have any proof to the contrary, please share it.

You got me thinking. The IRS falls into the terrorist thug mentality. They also steal your money by putting a gun to your head. Just dont pay and they will show up at your front door fully armed. But then again they are the government that follows no laws, they create their own. I guess we just arent safe anywhere anymore. Have a nice week.

One action was legal, the other was not. What makes people so utterly daft that they cannot understand simple concepts such as the rule of law? (That's a rhetorical question bad, no need to answer)

"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams

Exactly. . . . and one would be foolish to blame all white males for the actions of those in the article. Just looking for equal consideration. The two 'black' robbers and those who took and kept bank funds are disgusting. NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE. I feel that most good people believe this . .but it has just become too easy to make statements that include all minorities for the actions of some. Enjoy the coffee!

Regarding the poverty excuse and blacks vs. Latinos. Remember the quote referenced earlier here from Jesse Jackson? "There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life, than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." Jeffrey Goldberg went on to write that "Jackson now says his quotation was “taken out of context.” The context, he said, is that violence is the inevitable byproduct of poor education and health care." Talk about the mother of all excuses.

To quote Wikipedia, "In an AP-AOL "Black Voices" poll in February 2006, Jackson was voted "the most important black leader" with 15% of the vote." Let that soak in for a minute. Here is one of the most important black leaders (I know, I know, not to every black person) repudiating his own moment of clarity and honesty by creating a classic excuse for violence for those who find themselves in poverty. Make no mistake, millions of people black and white are/were influenced by what this man says. When he had a chance to say (as you did), "Poverty is no excuse for robbery and violence" he does the worst possible thing. He basically says, "it is ok, because we all understand what you have come from". The point here is, we need more Kevin Kings and less Jesse Jacksons, who reward people with the excuses they might be looking for. Just to be clear, I don't mean black men like Kevin King. I mean men like Kevin King.

Cheers Hack!!!

It is ridiculous to blame the behavior of criminals on their health care. Or their poverty. I would attribute one's willingness to wash windshields for money on their poverty, but one makes a decision to put someone else's life in danger. Jesse has my respect for what he went through and the role he played in the Civil Right's struggle, but he hasn't held my attention since well before his presidential bid.

Cheers

I don't know the answer........ I just don't.
I do not know the answer to all these problems either. Only two black males robbed this bank, yet how many tens of thousands of black people are sharing the stigma and the guilt? The law of karma doesn't apply too well here: someone else screws up, others reap the results. One can't blame black society for being weary of paying debts that they do not owe.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

Knowing that there are good people here in Fayette that are willing to sit down over coffee and respectfully discuss 'race' - and other issues that relate to a safe, secure, and a healthy community is wonderful! Continue to bring people together - and God bless. Keep us posted of progress!

I would rather tell you what I think about you face to face.

I agree with you both that black criminals get treated differently in the bloggosphere than white perps.

All I can do is promise that I will always make an effort to treat the White Trash the same as I do the Black Trash. I actually think that I do already. But, I will pay more attention to that detail. You made your point in a most powerful way.

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Kevin, your Eastern NC Upbringing is showing!

We all need to fix our "cracked foundation" as a society as a people.
All of us, green, blue, purple, red, black, white, we are all responsible for the breakdown of our society.
We have tolerated crime and given criminals a free pass and we have to stop. We have to stop making excuses for them, and giving them an easy sentence.

The criminals love it when we argue amongst ourselves. You know why? Because it takes the focus off of them. We have to stop fighting each other. Let's work together and focus our anger on the criminal. That is my new year goal.

I think we are making great strides as a community, and we need to keep working together, all of us have to stand together if we are going to fight crime successfully. The Sheriff's dept and the police can't do it on their own.

Kevin you are my brother and my friend it isn't "as if you were a brother" you ARE MY BROTHER AND MY FRIEND. Peace out, now let's fight crime together!

You ain't even a registered property owner in Fayette County. Are you a poser?

Guess this white flighter gonna have to git out my rebel flag and come git you run you out our pavillion.

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Remember the character on the movie Network named Howard Beale. (I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!)

The bigots he detracts (including his so-called 'friends' like skyspy) hide behind the white hood of anonymity. And Beverly lets them do this. Shameful...

'IT' has the nerve to chastise us for being anonymous. So which blogger clown is it that sports a second moniker. Blah Blah??? Locke?? MS??

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I had seen this article years ago and managed to locate it again. It offers an interesting take on "profiling" and other items (including the previously referenced Jesse Jackson quote).

"What is racial profiling? Does it serve any purpose? In the most general terms, racial profiling is a process whereby people employ a cheap-to-observe physical characteristic, such as race, as a proxy for a more costly-to-observe characteristic. It is prejudice, in the sense of the word’s Latin root—the act of pre-judging, or the practice of making decisions on the basis of incomplete information.

Most people so confronted by a tiger would not seek additional information. They would quickly calculate that the expected cost of an additional unit of information about the tiger is greater than the expected benefit."

LINK

Disclaimer: I must report the article is written by Walter Williams and like Mean Scream and DM will say, of course he is an idiot.....

More interesting is the explanation for the behavior. Would the person’s decision to run be based on any detailed information held about that particular tiger? Or would the decision be based on the person’s stock of information about tigers in general, what his parents have told him about tigers, and tiger folklore? Most likely the individual’s decision would be based on the latter. He simply pre-judges, or stereotypes, the tiger. The fact that it is a tiger is deemed sufficient information for action.

We live in a country where citizens have been carefully taught that those who appear 'different' should be treated differently. That for many of us is our 'stock of information'. Skin color has been a criteria for judgment in this country since its founding. This is a reality - but a poor excuse for the continued racist attitudes in this country. To compare mankind with a 'tiger' – and use that comparison as a basis for our reaction to one another is idiotic. We are better than to continue to employ animal instincts towards one another. We can and are doing better. I am so grateful to Martin Luther King because, based on my stock of information, my reaction to 'white' people would be very different. MLK taught us all NOT TO HATE/JUDGE our fellow humans based on skin color. Our younger generation gets the message. Using a ‘tiger’ to explain racism is ridiculous . . . . and is employed to make some people feel justified for their ignorance.
Michael Steele and the Republican Party are being so disingenuous – we all know that if Michael Steele had the appearance of Mike Tyson and spoke like Al Sharpton, he would not be representing the Republican Party.

"To compare mankind with a 'tiger' – and use that comparison as a basis for our reaction to one another is idiotic."

I wish I could predict the lottery numbers with the same precision as predicting your calling Mr. Willams an idiot.

"MLK taught us all NOT TO HATE/JUDGE our fellow humans based on skin color."

Then pray DM, did Jesse Jackson somehow miss that teaching? Wasn't he in the inner circle? How else do you explain the quote attributed to him?

"Using a ‘tiger’ to explain racism is ridiculous . . . . and is employed to make some people feel justified for their ignorance.

Since Mr. Williams is as black as Thomas Sowell, wonder what his end game would be for justifying everyone's ignorance?

"Michael Steele and the Republican Party are being so disingenuous – we all know that if Michael Steele had the appearance of Mike Tyson and spoke like Al Sharpton, he would not be representing the Republican Party."

I was racking my brain trying to figure out who has the appearance of Mike Tyson and speaks like Al Sharpton that represents the Democratic party? Hmmm, let's see...not Tim Kaine, not Howard Dean, not Barack Obama, not Harry Reid, not Nancy Pelosi. Could you help me with that one? Thanks in advance.

Just askin'.

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DM is an obvious stalking horse on these blogs and she/he/it is certainly not black. I suspect Steve Brown, but then again , I always suspect him.

Probably Dan Tenant or Bob Truitt is the person posing as DM, but other possibilities are Jim Watkins, Jim Williams (who is getting a new mayor - watch that one folks) or even our former COP Jim Murray.

Focusing on Jim's, since I've decided DM is definitely a JIm - we have, in no particular order
Jim Aducci, Jim Basinger, Jim Beam, Steve Black (real first name Jim), Alex Thompson (real first name Jim, who gave us Harmony Village), Jim Chastain, Jim Cole, Jim Carrey, Jimmy Booth, Jim Davis, Jim Dukes, Jim Early, Jimmy Fox, Jimet Gregor (a new name for Janet McGregor , Jim Morrison, Jim Nance, Jim Pace, Jim Roy, Jim Sams, Jim Steinbach, Jim Stinson, Jim Stewart, Jim Royal, Jim Qualls, Jim O'Donnell, Jim Tyndall, Jimbo Underwood (Carrie's house husband), Jim Watson, Jim Wemhoff, Jim Wade, Jim Webb, Jim Zorn.

I know DM must be one of them. Help me narrow ir down. Let's out her.

David's mom is real, I've met her. Though our meeting was brief, I found her to be amiable, classy, and genuine. We don't always have to agree on everything, but should be able to seek out the good in most people.

Have a good day, Mudcat. Hope to see you this Saturday at the 'coffee meeting'.

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

And I still think DM is a poser, but I believe you have the right to believe you actually met her. Maybe she will show up on Saturday - let me know.

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Back in SF now visiting friends.
4 days is not long enough, but it was a business thing for hubby and I used frequent flyer miles to tag along for free. Sleeping normally is impossible on a trip like this.

and will not even admit it to yourself. Seems you find a way to work his name into everything you post regardless of topic. Come on, you can tell me, I promise I won't tell anyone. Do you have his pic on your nighttable and kiss it "hello" in the am and "godnight" in the pm?

You are one ornery girl.

But it can't be Steve.... His name isn't Jim.

Jimet Gregor.... {chuckle}

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I submit no. The US is not unique. Every country of any size greater than a couple of thousands have sharp divisions based upon race and culture. The only nations without it are ones of startlingly homogeneity. There are no great divisions as there is nothing to divide.

Mankind has always found ways to divide, classify, segregate. There are divisions among people in Finland - very possibly not based on skin or hair color - but on income, education, likes/dislikes, etc. To discriminate based on skin color is the basis of what happened in the United States and South Africa.

over skin color throughout the totality of Africa and Southern Europe? Doesn;t ribal conflict, Hutu/Tutsi as an example, have the basis of different appearances?

...they didn't/don't legislate based on skin color - but I understand your point. Wonderful, non-racist Americans MAY make a selection based on hair color, skin color, etc. - of those of the same 'race'. There are Palestinians that appear the 'same' in appearance to some people of the Jewish culture/race - this whole 'thing' is confusing and disturbing. We need to learn to value a man's actions/behavior over his appearance - and just because others do it does not make discrimination based on appearance right.

And I understand your point as well. I do not believe that the US has done things right historically with regard to race, but I do not agree that we deserve more censure than every other country in the world. Discrimination based upon appearances and tribalism is certainly ancient in all locales. There really are not laudable people throughout history. All have sinned and fallen short. Universal human rights are a relatively new phenomenon.

We're on the same page - but the United States is my country - and I don't want it to stop progressing in race-relations. We should be and are a light to the world for many reasons.

But I refuse to censure my own country and let the others off the hook rhetorically. Try being a Guatemalan in Mexico or a Moroccan in most parts of France. Brutality exists in all cultures

From those who have ever been to LA - try being a San Salvadorian in a Mexican American neighborhood. .. I've seen so much ignorance based on skin color/culture in Americans - and that is where my efforts are at this point in my life. I feel that we as Americans have a better chance of changing this part of our history. I feel that the world has reached out to Obama not only for his speaking skills, but his election represents what many countries and societies hope to overcome - racial bigotry. I by no means censure the United States - I want the progress in racial relations to continue.

But let's take a closer look at actual comments and try to find how they are constructive:

"Gee, 2 black men. So what else is new?" PTCGoil

So what is your advice to us PTCGoil? What should we do to prevent this next time, based on skin color?

"what else is new..the story never changes for some folks. Wait until our resident defender gets here" Spyglass

Spyglass, we didn't have to wait. You guys were so anxious to bring the racial argument out that Elvis became David's Mom so you didn't have to see what David's mom actually thought!

"I base my perception of whites as child molesters on what the media shows me. You know, the same media that shows blacks as armed robbers. But they're wrong about that" Evilelvis channeling a fake David'smom response.

Evil Elvis, unless you are at each crime scene you base most of your knowledge on what the "media shows." Right? If you did some honest research, you would certainly know that different crimes have different racial demographics. That is, if you seek an honest debate on this.

"So 2 black dudes come in with hoodies, Push the alarm button immediately." Normal

Normal, would you ignore two white guys inside of a bank with hoodies on? I wouldn't. So what does race have to do with it?

MOC and my other fellow bloggers, here is the best way I can shed light on our problem of racial animosity here in Georgia. These are two domestic violence murder stories that happened here in Georgia before Christmas:

In this case a white man, with help, kills the mother of his child and her husband.

Another blog on this white on white double murder.

Now here is a black on black domestic case where a man shot his girlfriend.

Take a moment and read the blogs associated with each crime. See a difference?

In the first case, you have some "banjo" and "Deliverance" references, but not a single "white trash" comment or even a mention of race.

But look at the blogs from the case where the black man killed his girlfriend. Here are a couple of blogger "observations:"

"People have zero respect for human life...sorry....black people are the worst offenders."

"ANOTHER ANGRY BLACK MAN!!! KUMBAYAH MY LAWD!!!"

So, MOC and fellow bloggers, what is the purpose of mentioning race in a criminal story with a black perp but not mentioning race in criminal stories with white perps?

And, MOC, is your view of profiling, as explained by Walter Williams, exactly the attitude that allowed Richard Reid, Johnny Walker Lind, and The Barbie Bandits to execute their crimes? After all, folks following your advice would be more concerned with the black airline pilot in the bank than the cute little girls who were about to make a big payday. I'm a big fan of taking note of everyone around you and the whole environment; not just the dark parts. Two white guys walk into the bank with hoodies on, we should probably take notice. White guy with hat and sunglasses; green guy with....well, ANY green guy; black guy with shades and a ball cap. It shouldn't be skin color but behavior and attire.

Now a conversation I would LOVE to have is this one: Why did the blond locked, blue eyed "Barbie Bandits" get hand slaps for bank robbery? One will serve two years and the other only probation. Is there possibly a hole cut in lady justice's blind fold?

The person whom I was referring to about the story never changes is the infamous "Davids Mom"....was I wrong? Did she not come here and immediately get all defensive?

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Hey Hack!

Very good post, in many ways, and well accepted. I guess what is missed here are the fears of the posters you used as examples. What we see in our bedroom community, (((For the most part and in THIS day and time))), are huge violent crime pressures closing in on our once crime free bedroom community from three predominately black communities. Unfortuneatly for your arguement the vast amount of these crimes that affect us right now can be stereo-typed with a reasonable amount of accuracy and that stereo-type IS the Riverdale ***Black*** Street Thug look and attitude. And this is only because the vast majority of the violent crime we experience 'in the now' is being perpetuated by such vermon.

I think sterotyping has its place Hack. When I am in the Publix parking lot I stereotype with **reasonable** accuracy. Often times I am surrounded by blacks and I never give the vast majority of them a second thought as I scan my surroundings. But there are those that my disernment directs my mind to scrutinize further.... and for good reason. And there is an element of white trash that I feel led to keep my eye on also. But honestly....in this community the white scum seems to be less prevelant than the black scum.

Another way to put it...IF and I say **IF** I were to hang out in the parking lot at Walmart in Riverdale or Fayetteville my eyes, previous life experiences and just plain common sense would cause me to scrutinize young black males in hoodies with poor fitting jeans. On the flip side.... If in OKC more than likely I will be profiling white trash with tatoos covering their arms and neck, piercings, coupled with a lock-me-up-I-am-not-worth-the-Big-Mac-it-takes-to-keep-me-alive-and-I-need-my-meth-fix look.

I don't think most of the people you reference are purposely coming over as bigoted to you. Or even perhaps myself from time to time. I believe I can safely state that thier fears and concerns are of a genuine nature. Granted when I see or hear of a child predator or someone that tortures an animal, my profiling mind instantly places white trash at the top of the list.

Two white guys walk into the bank with hoodies on

Depends on how they present themselves Hack. If they have 'The Look', heck yeah I'm profiling them. If they are just a couple of silly young teenagers goofing off and acting normal...I'm not giving them a second thought. I can also easily say that if they were two young black kids. I think... what needs to be considered here is ***The Look***. And in our area, whether it is on a PTC cart path or in the Kohls parking lot at the Pavillion, it is wise to profile for the look. I do believe that in the Pavillion 'The Look' is probably going to be displayed by a ratio of 80/20 with black being the dominant number. If I am in Senoia or at the Publix on 74 I would say those numbers are reversed.

Personally...I have no issue with profiling at all. For the safety of us all...by all means lets do it. And with that said...there is much more than can be reasonably discussed on this issue. Problem is... the conversation always degenerates.

But in the end Hack, if folks like you and I, Spyglass, PTC Goil, Sky Spy and others ever get to the bottom of what our hearts truly reflect and desire....I no doubt think we have far more in common in regards to race than we have opposed. And I mean that in a good way.

I suppose we are all just victims of the times, the surrounding crime, and the hateful attitudes of the violent predators around us. And we all get on the defensive. And with that said...when I am in Clayton County and Riverdale today working, rest assured I will concentrating my profiling efforts mainly on young black men with 'The Look'. And for darned good reasons.

Cheers!

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it sounds like you and I do the same type of profiling...someone is crazy for not being aware of their surroundings. I don't care where you are. Just staying alert and aware if more than half the battle.

. . when I am in Clayton County and Riverdale today working, rest assured I will concentrating my profiling efforts mainly on young black men with 'The Look'. And for darned good reasons.

And unfortunately, when I'm in the Publix parking lot and a truck pulls up next to me with a white man who has the 'good ole boy' look and possibly a Confederate flay displayed - I will be concentrating my profiling efforts - -for darned good reasons. WHEN WILL THIS END? When will you and I learn to discern behavior? When will we stop this racism? What is important is to be aware of your surroundings and the actions of those around you. Trust your instincts. I shared earlier that a 'white' man in a 'truck' was most courteous to a friend and me when we appeared to have problems in a parking lot. YOU do not represent the citizens that I have personally met in Fayetteville. As long as we feel comfortable denigrating an entire race of people - even those who are fellow American citizens because of the color of their skin, we're in trouble. Your 'black' neighbors in Fayetteville do not reside in Riverdale. . . yet you continually lump all 'black' people together in expressing your fears. NO ONE WANTS HIS OR HER HOME OR PERSON TO BE INVADED! I don't want anyone shooting my pets or taking what I've worked hard for from my home. I know that persons who may do that may be any color. Right?

Here you are proving Evil Elvis's impersonation of you to be true.

The profiling and hatred won't stop until we all hate ALL criminals for their behavior equally, no matter what the color of the suspect. Instead of giving a criminal a free pass we as a community will stand against them no matter what.

For example I have contacted the American Humane Society and the ASPCA encouraging them to put pressure on our DA and the judge in the horse shooting case. They better not let this kid off light.

What have you done?? What have you done to discourage crime?

I have been consistent in my hate of criminals, how about you?

On another racist tangent:

Why is harry reid getting a free pass??? He is blatantly racist, yet no cries of foul play. Why not???

This one's an over under like on "Rifleman."

The profiling you three speak of is smart. I do it. We all do it. It is just smart for someone who's goal is self-preservation. Again, this is a unique opportunity for black fathers to ask themselves: What am I doing to prepare my sons for the challenges ahead? What values am I instilling in them? I'm not in a position to throw stones. Believe me. But it is a tragedy that so many of these young criminals have no one to fear at home. The police should be the least of their worries. Again. I don't know the answer.

As for Harry Reid: I believe what he said is true. Light skin has always been a selling point in the black, white, and Latin community. Just look on TV. Check Univision and Telemundo as well. Sydney Portier is the exception!

As for comparisons to Trent Lott who said we should have elected a separatist president in Strom "black daughter" Thurmon: The Republican party asked him to leave. Not us! He was sacked by his own for political reasons. And Michael "honest Ind'n" Steele isn't exactly the guy to be pushing the PC speech message. This makes for great television though .

I sense an ecumenical bi-racial coffee coming on. Next cup I order will be vanilla latte

Kevin "Hack" King

Triple Venti White Mocha extra Hot no whip please for me..

Hey DAWN you coming??

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" ~~ Patrick Henry
"Illegitimus n

I'll be there, I owe you that Mocha don't I? Does anyone have a time yet? 9:00 am?

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

What did you expect, he is a Air Force guy after all.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

This coffee thing open to old military types? It would be an opportunity to hopefully set a golf game with you and visit with my cousin Hack.

The older the better, as far as I'm concerned.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I've searched but cannot find a date and definite time for the blogger's coffee--did I miss it or just forget? I am old you know!
BTW where is Old Bonkers--have not seen him on here since I have been back and cannot find any posts during time I was gone--and I swear we were not away together on a romantic tryst--tho' I did try!

9am this Sat in PTC at the Starbucks in Publix Shopping Center.

that's just wrong.. had to chuckle a bit though..

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" ~~ Patrick Henry

What am I doing to prepare my sons for the challenges ahead? What values am I instilling in them? I'm not in a position to throw stones. Believe me. But it is a tragedy that so many of these young criminals have no one to fear at home.

I believe fathers are failing their sons in the white community these days at an unacceptable rate too. When you speak of fear Hack the word respect and guidance comes into play. The predators in our society are, for the most part, lost causes and the 'fear' that needs to be instilled in their lives to control their actions is the iron fist of the law and severe penalties and consequences. Unfortunately all that can be done by society at this point is to control them with fear for their well-being.

The 'fear' that needs to be instilled in young men must start at an early age. This fear, combined with respect and love will produce men more like the two of us. Not perfect by any means, but recognizing our failings as men as we make an effort to adjust and grow. The fear our sons need is a fear of failing the ones that love them, mentor them coupled with the fear of failing themselves and those around them. And that in being 'fearless' and rogue, they recognize just how fast their lives will spin out control into a destructive state of being.

I don't have a son Hack. But I do try to instill 'fear / respect' into my my daughters and some young men of (gasp) the black and white persuasions that I involve myself with. Regarding you not having the answer..... I understand. How does one go about making a difference. I guess we just influence those we can and fight with a hardened vengeance those that refuse to respect others and perpetuate crime. I don't know either...just thinking out loud.

As for Harry Reid: - As for comparisons to Trent Lott

The comparison is that the Republicans took care of their own indeed. Give them credit where credit is due. And how can anyone deny for one minute the howling and lamenting that poured out of hypocritical Democrat party at that time. The point being...if Harry Reid were a Republican, blood would be spilling on the Senate floor right now. But you are right Hack. The Democrats do have a standard in place and by that standard Harry (Makeover) Reid passes with flying colors. The Democrat mark is that as long as you do nothing worse than be a KKK member (Byrd) ....anything under that is acceptable and a non issue in their eyes. That is if you are a Democrat.

Michael "honest Ind'n" Steele isn't exactly the guy to be pushing the PC speech message

Hmmm... I really don't think his point is that of complying with 'PC Speech'. I think his point is that of your party's consistent double standard that is on display once again. Republican's know you guys are going to give your sleaze ball senate leader a pass. I don't think anybody really expects the Democrats to do the right thing. It's just fun to poke at them and watch them squirm when they step in their own dodo.

Regarding the bi-racial coffee. I'd prefer a man-to-man meet where the coffee is black and is being used to wash down some mouth watering animal flesh. But I am willing, to meet on your grounds and partake in a nilla latte too. Whatever the heck that is.

Just Like Welfare and Socialized Medicine - You Don't Have To Work For It.... THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

At 40 years old, I am STILL afraid of my folks - Mom more so than Dad (I can usually work him if I try). My mother has a special talent of making me feel 8 years old again with just one look.

Git, I'm willing to bet that your daughters can work you too, can't they?

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

What are you talking about? My daughters don't 'work me'. No way. I'm tough, firm and can hold my ground with them. And stop looking at me that way... cuz I mean it. Really!!!

Just Like Welfare and Socialized Medicine - You Don't Have To Work For It.... THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

And 'Kiss It".

YOU do not represent the citizens that I have personally met in Fayetteville. As long as we feel comfortable denigrating an entire race of people.

Nobody denigrated an entire race of people.

Go get a freaking life. Funny thing is I could have very well have been someone that could have helped you out along the line. Stop reading into a blog what you 'want' to read into it.

I don't even think you truly comprehended what I wrote. Man...what jaded old lady.

Just Like Welfare and Socialized Medicine - You Don't Have To Work For It.... THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

unfortunately when criminality ends for all sides. When I can guarantee that you will not be assaulted by brutalizing white people and you can guarantee that I will not be assaulted by brutalizing black people. There is an onus on me to work to stop the violence against you and you have an onus to stop the violence against me. Can we work to those ends? I will work to not excuse criminal behavior by white people, like the horse archer. Can you do the same?
I do not believe that we are worlds apart

You have summed up the root of this problem very eloquently! Thank you.

We're together!!

I didn't forget your mother's birthday, my computer was down for a while. So, let me take this opportunity to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY to your mom!

We spent this past weekend up in South Carolina for my husband's grandmother's 100th birthday. She is such an amazing person and still just as sharp as ever.

For her birthday, I put together a timeline of all that has occured in the last century with her age at the time of each event. For example: She was born the year of Halley's comet (the year Mark Twain died), there were 46 stars on the flag when she was born, she was 2 years old when the Titanic sank, she was 5 when the Germans sank the Lusitania, age 9 when the 19th ammendment was ratified, and so on....

When researching for this project, I realized just how far we have come in the last 100 years. In her lifetime she has seen the medical science go from the discovery of penicillin and xray technology to being able to transplant a heart! She has seen the Berlin wall built and brought down. She has seen the birth and death of communist countries. She was witness to the crash of '29 and the recovery of a destitute nation. She was born the year of the 1st women's suffrage parade, has seen the 19th ammendment ratified, and has seen the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court. She has seen this country go from the terror of the KKK at the height of their terrorist acts to bearing witness to the 1st black President of the United States! She has witnessed travel go from a Model T that cost $345 to seeing the first man walk on the moon.

The last 100 years stands as an unshakeable testiment to the will of the American people - what we can accomplish, what we can overcome, and how promising the future can be....

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

My mommy had a wonderful 99th birthday! Thanks so much for remembering...and sharing what you did to celebrate your husband's grandmother's 100th birthday! I'm going to steal that idea for Mommy's 100th birthday. Mommy says so much has happened in the last 10 years - it makes her head spin! We Americans have a special gift - we can accomplish anything!

oops

I thought that, for more reasons than one, you might get a kick out of one of my Christmas gifts.

My daughter, who is witty, whimsical, literary and artistic, drew a portrait for me.

It is all in black and white, with a woman, dressed in Victorian garb, holding a dead bird, on its back, in the palm of her hand.

There is a caption beneath the picture:

"I shall never hear thy sweet chirrup more, alas."

Recognize it? Knowing my love for all things Twain, she actually used Mark Twain/Huck Finn's description of one of the morbid drawings left behind by the late Emeline Grangerford, and created the portrait.

I opened it in a room full of people and went into hysterics when I saw it. I held it up and, of course, it is just obscure enough that no one got it until we explained it.

Huck says, "These was all nice pictures, I reckon, but I didn't somehow seem to take to them, because if ever I was down a little they always give me the fan-tods. Everybody was sorry she died, because she had laid out a lot more of these pictures to do, and a body could see by what she had done what they had lost. But I reckoned that with her disposition she was having a better time in the graveyard."

Emmeline!!!

You have a very sweet daughter to create such a thoughtful gift for you. For my dad, I would have to draw a picture of big lips with a tongue (the Rolling Stones).

"The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

First of all for this bank robbery, the cops have a description of the criminals. The cops gave a description of the said criminals here to this paper so that anyone can call in a tip if they know them.

The story of the horse shooter, had no description at first. Once they posted his picture, "dead eyes" and all, I called him satanic and evil, which he is and I still stand by that.

The paper has given a description of criminals they have not caught yet. Why is that wrong? Whether they are black, white, green, or purple why is giving a description of a criminal wrong?

I still say that the only good criminal is a DEAD ONE. Whether they are white, black, green, or purple the only good criminal is a dead one, and one I don't have to pay to feed.

When I responded to Evil Elvis it is because I knew someone would have a problem with the description of the criminals. Instead of wanting an accurate description so that the puke bag worthless idiots could be caught; I knew that someone would object to the fact that part of the description involved the race of the criminals.

Why do you object to the description of wanted criminals only when they are looking for black criminals?? Why Kevin?

I enjoyed your points, I dont care about the horse, I dont care about Mike Vicks dogs, pit bulls should be put under anyway. but what I do care about is the lives of people in the banks. And if it takes profiling then so be it. Have a nice week.