Fayette to lay off 175 teachers?

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 4:55pm
By: Ben Nelms

The weight of the Fayette County School System’s $14.5 million budget deficit will fall on teachers and instructional personnel — between 150 and 175 of them.

The Fayette County Board of Education is getting closer to inevitable personnel-related cuts for the coming school year needed to offset the projected deficit.

Facing the chopping block are 150-175 staff positions, reductions in employer-paid insurance premiums, charging out-of-county tuition for the children of school system employees and, potentially, an across the board pay cut for all employees.

Nearly all the staff reductions will come from the instructional areas, while just over a dozen come from the central office. A vote on some or all of the measures could come Feb. 23.

The 11-member Budget/Allotment Committee — the group that drew up the reduction list — is made up entirely of administrative staff and no teachers.

Director of Human Resources Reanee Ellis reported Monday on the committee recommendations, telling board members the committee understood the need to adequately address the $14.5 million projected shortfall.

Indicating the committee’s recommendation to eliminate 150-175 staff positions for FY 2010, Ellis said the recommendation targeted 157 in-school positions.

Of those, the committee called for a reduction of 100 staff in elementary schools, 22 staff in middle schools and 36 staff in high schools, for a savings of $7.787 million.

Nearly all the proposed reductions were for certified staff, those who have a contract such as teachers, psychologists, counselors, media specialists and art, music, band and physical education instructors.

Ellis said the reductions assume that Rivers Elementary will not be opened.

Up for consideration is the reduction of 15 central office positions for a savings of $170,000, for an average of $11,333 per position. Those positions include 2 positions in deputy superintendents‘ offices, 1 in finance, .5 in human resources, 1 in school operations, .5 in education, 1 in school nutrition, 1.5 at Lafayette Education Center, 3 in the After School Program, 4 in school improvement and .5 in purchasing.

Other reductions being considered by the board are a reduced work day to 6.5 hours for kindergarten, middle school, high school and media parapros totaling $512,200.

The committee said they preferred no reductions in benefits but could support reductions to the employer-paid portion of the health insurance premium from $71.14 to $35, a savings of $1.096 million, and similar reductions in dental from $22 to $11, a savings of $312,400, in life insurance with savings of $169,000 and long-term disability to save $300,000. Those reductions, if approved, would amount to $781,400.

All totaled, the committee’s recommendations for reductions in staff positions, reduced work days and staff paid benefit premiums totaled $10,346,900, leaving $4,173,000 in other cuts needed to cancel out the $14.5 million deficit.

Another committee recommendation called for school system employees not residing in the county to pay $1,000 per child to attend Fayette schools. Ellis said the system currently serves approximately 300 children living outside the county. If approved, the school system would save $300,000.

The other large ticket item recommended by the committee, but with a caveat, was an across the board pay cut of 2.5 percent, with the understanding that a 3.5 percent cut might be necessary.

Comptroller Laura Brock told the board that each 1 percent across the board pay cut totals $1.2 million, indicating that to reach the $14.5 million threshold the board would have to impose a 3.5 percent cut if other committee recommendations were approved.

In her comments on the cuts, Ellis said the committee did not support two or more negative financial adjustments on pay for employees.

Based on earlier statements by Superintendent John DeCotis that much of the upcoming budget numbers would have to be addressed no later than March, board members will likely begin deciding on areas to be cut at the Feb. 23 meeting.

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Submitted by hsh87 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:50pm.

It is time Fayette residents, parents, students, everyone - we cannot let them get rid of any of our teachers - that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard - we don't need to lose our teachers - we need to stand up and demand that First of all John Decotis give back a good bit of his 11% raise he got - second get rid of the people on this committee - git rid of all the extra baggage in administrative positions(assistant supers, assistant principles) and we will save some money - this "committee" is hitting the wrong spot - our kids are going to suffer tremendously and we can't just sit back and let this committee decide what "they think" is best for our kids - KEEP OUR TEACHERS - matter of fact we need more because I know more kids in the schools my kids attend that need more help than they are getting already because of large class sizes - COME ON - STAND UP and Make these demands - we have to join together on this!!!!

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 2:14pm.

Not to single you out, several people have mentioned "join together", "speak up", "stand up"; yet I've not heard a plan for this.

Perhaps an email/mail/phone call barrage? A committe of concerned tax payers to approach the fcboe committee? What could be some ideas? I think many folks are concerned, folks just don't know how to approach this big ole mean monster.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 2:13pm.

hsh87, your intentions are good. Sadly, the FCBOE's options are severely limited.

Here's why:

1. The FCBOE took a spectacular gamble in 2002 that there would be no recession or economic downturn between 2002 and 2010. They saddled the county with incredible amounts of monthly short-term bond debt for this period, in order to pay off the new schools being built early. This huge gamble would have made them look like financial geniuses had there been no economic downturn, but now that we are in fact in a recession, the 2008 through 2010 budgets are permanently and irrevocably crippled. The only real way to get out of this debt at this point would be to default on the school bonds.

2.The FCBOE also gambled..correctly this time...that the citizens of Fayette county could be convinced to institute a SPLOST in 2009. This would coverup the huge fiasco of all the rented computers needing to be replaced this year. SPLOST money that would normally be used to cover other technology that would in turn would allow for more general funds to pay for teachers WILL NOT be available this year, as we have a one-time screwup to pay for with regards to the computer fiasco.

3. The FCBOE instituted a "work harder, not smarter" approach about 10 years ago. Rather than invest in the technology needed to produce the myriad reports required to receive state student funding, the board hired a small army of bookkeepers and administrators. Simply put, it will not be easy to remove many of them, as it would jeopardize part or all of the massive $90,000,000 we in Fayette county receive from the state each year. We NEED to invest in technology to reduce the headcount, but we cannot do it in a recession. ALL of the members of the current BOE seem to value doing things manually over automating routine tasks.

In summary, there are no good options available to the FCBOE. They've attempted to ignore the problem for as long as possible (standard operating procedure for this board) and pray that attrition will cover their mistakes....it won't.

I don't see many viable alternatives to cutting line staff (teachers and parapros) at schools.


Submitted by Valerie on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:36pm.

After working for about 3 years, a teacher obtains tenure. Tenure means a teacher cannot be dismissed except for criminal conviction, incompetence or moral turpitude. Conviction requires the Education Department to file charges and go through a lengthy trial while the accused may be suspended with pay, which the County doesn’t want to do. Incompetence is impossible because to reach tenure, the teacher has been given good teaching reports on file. Moral turpitude is actions or behavior that violates moral standards of a community. Now, that’s really hard to prove since Larry Flint is still selling his pornography courtesy of our Supreme Court.

Therefore tenure is 100% of the cases amount to a guaranteed job. How many citizens have a guaranteed job? When teachers are guilty of incompetence or moral turpitude, the solution is to give them a higher paying job in administration, and its all hush, hush.

Submitted by Brooks Parent on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:17pm.

Teachers have the expectancy of employment after the issue of their fourth contract. Tenure only guarantees due process rights and teachers can be dismissed for a variety of reasons. The problem is no one (supervisors) wants to deal with the paperwork.

Submitted by Valerie on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:20pm.

When I was certified to teach in Georgia, it meant that I had all of the required college courses in education. It also included a 4 month externship (practice teaching) under a certified teacher in my field. I assume it is essentially the same now. Teachers could be hired while they were acquiring the courses, but at the much reduced daily pay rate equal to a substitute teacher. Is Janet Smola’s son receiving the pay rate of a certified teacher? Is he enrolled in his required education courses? If not, then his position could have been obtained via his mother’s influence on the BOE. The persons responsible should be included in the 175 teachers to be laid off. If proper procedures were not followed or any FCBOE INFLUENCE WAS INVOLVED, then the public needs to know. The voters need the facts to make intelligent decisions at the polls. Mrs. Smola voted to raise education property taxes in the midst of this serious economic crisis that has put such a burden on the citizens. No one should profit at the expense of those who are suffering. Cronyism is unacceptable.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:25pm.

what is he doing teaching and real people with the degrees in education looking for jobs? If this is true, both Smola's should hit the street.


Submitted by longtimeresident on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 12:42pm.

Just like corporate America, the incompetence of the FCBOE and the School Board results in those that really do the work (i.e. the teachers) losing their jobs along with proposed pay cuts. Why don't you start with the elimination of Asst. Superintendents and much of the additional non-student facing positions FIRST!

These teachers already work tirelessly at ridiculously low wages, and now the incompetence of the 'management' of the school system is making them take the brunt of the financial hit. Will somebody tell me how we start a recall drive of our elected board?

Submitted by BloodBike on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:48am.

I don't know where he job cuts will be coming from, but a large group of people will be let go to help balance the budget. It kills me to see this happenin gto Fayette County, but to be honest I would rather be dealing with this than dealing with the mess which is Clayton County! I left there this past summer. I purchased a 350 thousand dollar home and I'm still paying on my old 150 thosand home in Clayton. I left because the crime was starting to reach my door step, the education system was a joke, and the citizens in the county REALLY didn't care about what was going on!

I think WE citizens of Fayette can work this out. We have to be diligent in what our elected officials are doing, but the problems aren't at a level which can't be corrected. Will people be fired? Yes! The issue is who do we let go and who do we keep? Things have to change,at least until the economy starts to turn around. Time to stop crying about the past and work towards keeping this from becoming a CLAYTON COUNTY sized problem.

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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:23am.

I have spent five years of college trying to obtain the ability to teach, here I am one semester left and as I began searching for jobs this is what I find! Just my luck.... Oh well it will happen eventually.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 4:59am.

Do you have a certificate to teach English? I hear there should be an opening at one of the swankier schools in Fayette county if the nepotism is done away with.

That also includes a few full time clerical and part time custodian jobs.


Submitted by gal2008 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:44am.

You MUST be joking. Voting conservative is what got us into this mess! The last month with a democratic president did not create this problem. Furthermore, local and state politicians, who are ultimately more involved with education, are typically conservative in both Fayette County and Georgia. Get a clue!!

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:19am.

Conservatives caused nothing... Republicans and Democrats caused this mess.. and your precious Democrats now are making this worse.. NO REPUBLICANS were allowed to add or change anything in this "Pork" bill. This was written solely by the Dems and Pelosi and Reid specifically.. and pushed hard by a Democrat President..
Bush and the Congress may have started this mess, but these guys are carrying on with the same old same old.. Change.. yeah right...
Leave your ideology at the door.. and take a real look at what is going on..


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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:09am.

First off "vote conservative" is my signature, it had nothing to do with my post. Secondly, it should be noted that I said vote conservative not republican, there is a big difference. Finally, I know that these types of budget cuts are necessary I was not complaining about them, I was not asking for bailout money be directed to the BOE for job creation, I was simply stating a fact; it is going to be hard to find a teaching job considering I will be a new college graduate. I am glad conservative ideas have shown through on this topic, rather then raising taxes or begging for more money, our leaders have taken a difficult stance and have begun cutting back, that my friend is conservative.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE


Submitted by buffalo on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:12am.

Zachary Smola ineresting young man. Hired as teacher at at "Elite High School" But is not certified to teach. He has a college degree but doesn't have his teaching certificate. He was hired over qualified teachers. We probably know why because of his last name. SMOLA. Do we want unqualifed employee teaching our children. Wonder if he'll get the axe in the upcoming cuts.

Submitted by BloodBike on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:53am.

I don't agree with his being hired, but why shine the light on him and not the person who hired him? I don't know the young man, but it seems that he isn't the issue but the process which allowed him to be hired in the first place is the problem. I'm just saying! He needed a job and somebody gave him one. Is he wrong for taking it in this economic environment or is the person who signed off on it?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 9:35am.

His mother signed off on it. That's the whole point!


Submitted by BloodBike on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 9:46am.

Okay.,I get it.,freaking crazy.,WOW!!

Not cool.

Submitted by ignorantcouncil on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 12:12am.

For example, at Fayette Middle School, there are probably 30 students who live in Clayton county yet attend Fayette Middle. The school knows who they are, but the county office refuses to kick out the kids because they are scared of the bad publicity. The schools used to be able to kick out the cheaters, but now they have to go through the county office. If you do the math, per pupil expenditure: $8,317.86 @ 30 students (just at Fayette Middle school) is $249,535 PER YEAR! That will pay a lot of teachers salaries, or reduce the cost per student for the legal students who actually live in Fayette County. In addition, there are probably 100 students who go to Fayette Middle school on an affidavit, where they claim they are living with relatives in Fayette County due to a hardship. That's a load of crap too! now we're looking at 130 students at $8,317.86 totaling $1,081,132 PER YEAR that the Fayette county taxpayers are paying for illegal students just at Fayette Middle school. I don't know about you, but that's a lot of money. And it makes me furious that the county office allows this to happen. Why does this continue to happen year after year? Something needs to change... and the parents of these cheating students should be arrested and put in jail until they pay back the county for the theft of services.

Submitted by WiseOne on Sat, 02/14/2009 - 12:45pm.

When does Fayette county money remain within Fayette county? Every illegal student takes money away from the citizens of Fayette county. With 31 buildings in the system, how much money really shifts to cover the students not supported by parents who actually reside, shop and pay taxes inside Fayette county?

Submitted by dedicatedteacher on Sat, 02/14/2009 - 8:20am.

Unfortunately, this is true.

Submitted by The Shadow on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:07pm.

The Governor’s Office of Student Achievement just released End of course Test Results for Atlanta Metro High School Students. Out of the 8 subjects tested the most startling was the Economics Test in which 36% of students failed.

Economic Courses cover basic theory and personal finance. Even more shocking was that 94% of students passed the Economics Class. Sheryl Gowen, an Education Policy Professor at GSU says it may be a combination of teachers not teaching and teachers giving passing grades. Another telling statistic is 28% of students who made A’s on their Report Card also failed the test. These poor results do not justify the high education property taxes and overspending by BOE Politicians. Similar test results were shown in all subjects.

Aside from sorry teachers giving grades and even A’s to students who failed the end of year test, the results are quite normal for the population as a whole. In their epic book, THE BELL CURVE (1994) Herrstein & Murray compiled voluminous ability tests from 1900-1990. Their study showed that 50% of the general U.S. population had normal IQ’s ranging from 90-110 with 100 being the average. That 25% were above the normal range with IQ’s from 110 up and 25% were below normal with IQ’s below 90.

The End of the Year Test failures of 36% in Economics and up to 49% in other academic courses such as Math & Geometry reflect the results of nearly 100 years of testing. Namely, that at least 50% of the students have other abilities outside of College Prep Academic Courses; so much so, that we are spending education taxes in a grossly wrong way. I wonder how many BOE Politicians could pass the High School End of Year Test in Economics? Our bankrupt Head of State Education Director Cathy Cox apparently is not one of them.

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 12:19pm.

it's disgraceful and an insult to all Fayette County Taxpayers.

Submitted by Just Saying on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 10:54pm.

Predictions...
Monday, Feb 23rd...Board, lacking all intelligence and concern for our children, mindlessly, callously vote to cut teacher pay 2.5 - 3.5%. The more accomplished, nationally recognized, National Board Certified Teachers are punished for their professionalism with an additional 10% pay cut.
Tuesday, Feb 24th...Every teacher in the county calls in sick, cost of substitute teachers may bankrupt the county, school is closed for the day, parents scramble for day care
Wednesday, Feb 25th...Teachers discontinue all club sponsorships, morning and afternoon help sessions, choose not to provide extra CRCT help, choose not to eat lunch in the lunchroom. Field trips are cancelled because teachers will not chaperone.
Thursday, Feb 26th...Educators arrive at 8am, leave at 4pm with no totebag or wheeled cart full of papers to grade, CRCT Coach books are boxed and thrown in a drawer
Friday, Feb 27th...Mygradebook.com goes unused for weeks, teachers only update grades on the assigned reporting days for progress reports/report cards
March 23rd...Majority of teachers in the county call in sick for the 1 month anniversary of their pay cut. Since there are not enough substitute teachers, students are warehoused in the gym all day
April 22...First day of the CRCT...students stare blankly at test because most of the material is old and unfamiliar
April 23...Second day of CRCT is also the two month anniversary of pay cut. Majority of teachers call in sick. CRCT is postponed since there are not enough certified teachers to administer test. Students, again, are warehoused in gym or cafeteria because subs refuse to accept jobs.
May...CRCT results are in and Fayette scores plummet...record numbers of 3rd, 5th, and 8th graders don't pass math and reading...must attend summer school remediation but there are no teachers in Fayette willing to teach the large classes of 50+ students
August...First day of school and your child is placed in a class with 35 other students and a miserable, unhappy teacher who hates her job.

Submitted by fc1989 on Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:03am.

If the teachers pull this kind of stunt I hope Decotis has the fortitude of Ronald Reagan. Fire them all like the air traffic controllers. We don't need thug union tactics in the school system. The teachers union is not wanted in Fayette County!!!

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Submitted by aliquando on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 12:49am.

I may be pissed off at the BOE, but I will not do any of this crap. You are talking union Bull Sh_t! When I told my dad 22 years ago that I might want to try teaching he said fine, but realize what you are getting into. I will put up with the crap for now. If I do not like it I will quit and get another job. I will call anyone to the mat who tries any of that B.S. in my home! The public is on our side now, you pull this crap and you will lose most public support. I teach here, I live here, my kids go to school here. I grew up here. Not in my house!


Submitted by Gagrown on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 10:57pm.

I will pass it along to any teacher I know.....

Submitted by Gagrown on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 9:57pm.

OK let me get this straight. $1000 per child = $300,000 savings? "$1,000 per child to attend Fayette schools. Ellis said the system currently serves approximately 300 children living outside the county. If approved, the school system would save $300,000." How are they SAVING money by charging a fee? What cost are incurred by an out of county student? They dont ride a bus. They still pay for the lunches. Say for instance of those 300 students, 100 decide to go to home county schools. Now we have a "savings" of only $200,000. Where is the other $100,00 going to come from to make up the difference? Granted $100,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to 14.5 million.
The teachers are giving up their 2.5% pay raise, but is Decotis giving up his 11% pay raise? Or is he included in the 2.5-3.5% paycut across the board?
I understand the need for cuts but it makes me wonder. Thanks for letting me say my peace.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 9:43pm.

My guess is that a lot of good teachers will leave and find work in other counties that can afford to pay a decent salary/benefits. Especially the out of county teachers. I'm afraid that one of the teachers at my school will leave. She has 3 kids in the FC system. Who can afford that? If this mandate comes to pass and she decides to go it will be a real shame. Her students will be the ultimate losers in this situation.

Submitted by PreciousStahr on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:54pm.

The reason is that the base pay for all GA teachers is the same for all Counties, funded by the State. Each local County subsidizes teacher pay over the base rate by taxing its property owners. Fayette teachers are among the highest paid of any County. To equal or better their salaries, teachers would have to transfer to Atlanta, or Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb or Gwinnett Counties. All these systems are also cutting pay and laying off teachers. Who would want to teach in Atlanta, Fulton or Dekalb anyway? Of course they could go to Clayton Co. Haahaaahaaaahaaaa… No, they will take the pay cuts and stay because the Fayette salaries will still be higher than about 150 other GA Counties. And if teachers want to lay out and purposely do a sorry job, then fire them because there will be plenty of unemployed teachers waiting to take their positions and thankful to be hired.

Submitted by nomagickingdom on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 4:07pm.

Fayette County is one of the lowest paying systems in Metro Atlanta....Part of the reason we are in this mess it the belief that no other system compares to us....there are many good systems that pay more and offer the opportunity to teach great children...just like us!

Submitted by Brooks Parent on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:26pm.

Highest paid??? You have got to be kidding me!!!
Teachers in this county haven't had a raise in their supplement since the 80's! Their salary study for their supplement is based on rural school districts unlike the administrative supplement that is based on a salary study using metro area counties.

Submitted by jackyldo on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:22am.

if a teacher could find a higher paying better job in their own or another county, they would not be teaching in Fayette.

There are good and qualified teachers in every county looking to teach. If perhaps an out of county teacher leaves one that lives here will be spared their job ?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 11:07am.

Believe it or not, Clayton county has the highest pay scales for teachers in the Metro Atlanta area. They not only pay their teachers higher, but give "merit raises" (in addition to "cost of living raises") through THIRTY years of employment.

Every other county in the metro area EXCEPT Fayette gives merit raise through the first TWENTY years of employment (Fayette gives TWENTY FIVE years of merit raises).

Yet for some reason, Clayton seems to have trouble finding teacher willing to work there! (okay, that was a little sarcasm).

The reason Clayton can pay teachers so much is that they have a large industrial tax base (mainly Atlanta airport) and they don't build/renovate schools often. They have a SPLOST and a relatively constant/stable school population (due to the large supply of rental homes, rental homes usually means families with young children).

Put all those factors together and Clayton is sitting on quite a pile of cash, which is why competition for Clayton school board seats is so fierce, these political hacks looked at the Clayton surplus with dollar signs in their eyes.

Ours is a more traditional board of education, except that three members are more interested in helping out their developer friends than improving our childrens' educations.


Submitted by jackyldo on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:22am.

if a teacher could find a higher paying better job in their own or another county, they would not be teaching in Fayette.

There are good and qualified teachers in every county looking to teach. If perhaps an out of county teacher leaves one that lives here will be spared their job ?

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Submitted by aliquando on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 9:59pm.

This should be fun for my family budget, a pay cu and a tax increase. I know that school system employees are not the only ones dealing with this. Many of you posters are in the same boat. The BOE should have seen this coming.


Submitted by mysteryman on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 8:29pm.

Here it begins folks, and Brother Sonny is gonna hit you up for 2 or 3 extra C-notes at property tax time this year while he builds boat ramps for go-fish. County commision is going raise you water bill to build a dam on Line Creek, thats been planned since 1971, but hey its allgood ehh... Keep rendering unto Caesar, and before you know it we will all be serfs, indentured to big brother, look around you folks. Next time you are at the library, check out the book 1984 by George Orwell, in read about the present and future......PEACE

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 8:41pm.

Taxes are the downfall of every civilization.. when the Goverment starts taking more then the people can or are willing to give then that civilization ceases to exist and ANARCHY rules..
We are not France we are not some 3rd world country, but according to Newsweek I guess maybe we are...


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 7:58pm.

to buy uniforms for all of its bus drivers and monitors as part of a safety enhancement program to prevent terrorists from hijacking buses.
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Now about that little accreditation problem.
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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 7:18pm.

Way back in January, I told you we had suspiciously high numbers of teachers.

In 2006, we had roughly 22,000 students and 1565 teachers.
In 2008, we had roughly the same 22,000 students and 1772 teachers...nearly 200 more teachers for the same number of students!

The School Board GOOFED and stocked up on teachers in the mistaken belief that the flattening out of student enrollment was "temporary" and not a fundamental shift in growth patterns.

The 25 year growth boom in Fayette county is OVER but our elected officials still do not wish to recognize the reality of the new slow growth/no growth model. The EXACT same thing happened in Dekalb back in 1980 and it took them 15 YEARS to recover

ONCE AGAIN, FOLKS, PEACHTREE CITY IS ESSENTIALLY BUILT OUT. THE BOOM IS OVER

Now the FCBOE has to "roll back" the teacher census to the 2006 levels.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:21pm.

"In 2006, we had roughly 22,000 students and 1565 teachers.
In 2008, we had roughly the same 22,000 students and 1772 teachers...nearly 200 more teachers for the same number of students!"

I would really hate to see teachers cut, especially over the dead-wood at the administrative level, but since student numbers/enrollment are flat, then maybe this would be the way to go - sorry to say. Letting teachers go, with the least seniority, starting with Zachary Smola (a.k.a. Janet Smola's son) may be the fairest way to handle the cuts. Plus, I still don't know why we need a Public Relations person at FCBOE, and an assistant (asst. superintendent's daughter?) - the nepotism at FCBOE is disgusting and contributes to the public DISTRUST of the board. With all the bad press surrounding FCBOE and their obvious mismanagement of funds, it seems like the PR person has not provided adequate damage control to her employer, thus, the public trust in the school board, the system and its process, has radically deteriorated. When people do not do their job adequately, then it's time for them to hit the road, IMHO. Get rid of this idiotic department first and that may actually enable a teacher, or two, to keep his/her job.


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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 10:19pm.

Your diatribe over pageants was bad enough but for you to stoop this low is really rotten.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 11:39pm.

What are you expecting from mean scream?

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:49am.

everyone's throat. A decent person would not have posted that child's picture in the first place. This was an innocent child who was brutally murdered and she uses her picture to annoy others. Of course, she will probably comeup with some off the wall statement such as she is honoring her memory. I hope this child comes to her in her dreams at night and haunts the hell out of her but then that would be too big a job for anyone. She is just plain mean and I think she would have been mean if she came from the east, south, north or west-no one region could possibly be responsible for such hate in one person. She spews so much rancor and bile; personally I think she is the devil's spawn but then I am from the south and I am sure she will think it is a southern thing.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 02/13/2009 - 7:54am.

You two ladies should stop trying to hijack this all important FCBOE thread to draw attention to yourselves. If you have an issue about something, start another blog. Otherwise, stay on topic. Better yet, stop reading my posts altogether since they seem to upset your sensitive nature so much.


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 02/13/2009 - 7:24am.

I think something has or is going very wrong in her life. She didn't start out this mean.

I am mean to the criminals and the politicians because they are one and the same. They deserve to have people lash out at them.

Have a good day, it is going to be very nice again. I love living in the south.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:43am.

everyone's throat. A decent person would not have posted that child's picture in the first place. This was an innocent child who was brutally murdered and she uses her picture to annoy others. Of course, she will probably comeup with some off the wall statement such as she is honoring her memory. I hope this child comes to her in her dreams at night and haunts the hell out of her but then that would be too big a job for anyone. She is just plain mean and I think she would have been mean if she came from the east, south, north or west-no one region could possibly be responsible for such hate in one person. She spews so much rancor and bile; personally I think she is the devil's spawn but then I am from the south and I am sure she will think it is a southern thing.

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 7:55pm.

2008 Oliver? Central support clerk- Tara Oliver $27,528 Is this who you are talking about?

2008 Sweat Adam Central support clerk $1,503.00
Sweat Matt J Custodian $1,597.50

2008 Smola,Andrew P Custodial personnel $576.00
Smola, Janet BOE $6,000.00 +travel $3,048.00
Smola, Zack 9-12 teacher $28,844.

Decotis, John P Custodian $2,448.00

tip of the iceberg

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:02pm.

2007 Sweat, Adam W. Centra support clerk $2,554.73
Sweat, Matt J Custodial personnell $2,223.00

Oliver, tara Central support clerk $26,372.00

anybody got more names? Married names of daughters? I know Oliver's nephew is Principal of Flatt Rock and pulling down a big salary. Anymore?

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:26pm.

that way! What a joke!


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 2:25pm.

I had heard that Smola's son had been hired by the county a while back. Truthfully, I wasn't very surprised, from what I've seen school system nepotism is a sad fact of life in Georgia. Another "Southern Tradition", if you will.

I wasn't bothered by Smola's hiring because I'd assumed it was in the music department. Zack Smola made quite a name for himself as a musician up in Athens at the University of Georgia,he got some favorable writeups in some regional magazines. I figured a young music teacher could probably relate well to today's high school music students...

Therefore, I was extremely surprised today to find out that he was hired to teach English at Starr's Mill!! Shocked


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:30pm.

"I still don't know why we need a Public Relations person at FCBOE, and an assistant (asst. superintendent's daughter?) - the nepotism at FCBOE is disgusting and contributes to the public DISTRUST of the board"

Can you name names? This is wrong and these people should be fired...now


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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 1:53pm.

It's a tangled web of nepotism at FCBOE but it seems that there is quite a bit of it going on. This was revealed by the blogger "Yankee in PTC":

"The PR person has a secretary, so there are TWO positions that could go. Who is this secretary you ask? None other than the Deputy Superintendent's secretary's daughter. Oh, and the Deputy also has a daughter employed at the same office. Nepotism?"

Here's the link:

LINK


Submitted by fc1989 on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 10:45pm.

I understand the complaints of nepotism but for there to be such personal attacks what proof is there that the employees in question are not performing? Just because somebody knew somebody does not mean they are not a competent, hard working employee. I believe Dan Cathy got his job because of his dad. Just a question.

Submitted by Brooks Parent on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 9:26pm.

Yes, we do have too many teachers. But remember many of those "teacher slots" are individuals that do not directly work with children.There are many people working at the county office that are coded as teachers but are not teaching children. These individuals are listed as itinerant teachers but they fulfill the role of consultants, asst. coordinators, etc. This is a slick way of the county office to get their additional staff without having them listed legally as coordinators, consultants. Looks good on paper. Remember it's all a game.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 5:39am.

I'm glad you brought that up. I've heard rumors about these "teaching consultants" employed by Fayette county, basically that they were classified as "teachers" to get the state to pay the majority of their salary, but I've seen nothing concrete. It's frustrating. I know "coordinators" are properly identified on FCBOE payroll (I've seen that myself) but this is the first time I've heard of "assistant coordinators").

I suspect we'll never know the extent of this featherbedding until Smola, Wright and/or Smith is defeated.

Hey sugarfoot, have you heard anything about this?


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:15am.

remarks of both teachers and students, there are some being paid under the guise of being in the class rooms, that are obviously else where.

You always come up with the facts, the 3 amigos must hate your guts!


Submitted by Brooks Parent on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:32pm.

In fact, a couple years ago, they moved some of them out of the county office and moved them to the schools for offices. All you need to do is look at the internal phone list. It is completely different from the phone list released to the general public.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 6:18am.

If you go to the transparency in government, go to advanced, local board of education, Fayette, then start monkeying with it, you can find some very fascinating things.

there are so many classifications of teachers, you really have to dig, but go look.
There are the regular groups divided out in to by grade 1, grade 9-12 etc. When you start looking, you see the salaries of a normal full time teacher, then you notice all these with $10,000. a year, $6,000. a year, and assume they are temps.

You would be WRONG! There is another classification call substitutes..so who are these under the reg teachers with the $6,000 to 10,000 salaries? Good question.

Maybe para pros? Nope, got a whole nother group for that...look.

Then type in title- 'other' teachers....and you get a whole other group...

In all these groups, you will find people with reg salaries, and then these little odds and ends so to speak, of small, but numerous, salaried people.

The secretaries listings are a joke too...you have to dig to find all those...you have secretaries, not to be confused with school secretaries, that's another group entirely, nor to be confused with support service secretaries, nor the central support clerk titles.

Guys forget nepotism, you could hide a whole ..tribe..of relatives in there!

Hey, want another joke? Look at the custodians, someone was right. Did I say Wright? Anyway type in all the big names...and you will find those same unique last names, as custodians.


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 8:29pm.

if you posted that internal phone list. Everyone chip in and give 'what is right' a helping hand. Our kids need it.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 7:27pm.

I'm serious here folks. He could do it.

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Submitted by gw7732 on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 7:14pm.

Get rid of the illegal aliens and the top heavy administration and there will be no need to make any cuts

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Submitted by Shoebox on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 6:46pm.

the abuse and neglect of our children is the last thing to happen before the society falls. Just make the budget cuts in the right places...okay? This is not brain surgery! Go get a high school math teacher and figure it out!


Submitted by hi grover on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 6:25pm.

Do you not remeber how the BOE promoted SPLOST or should I say rammed it down our throats and scared all the FCBOE employees into voting yes on SPLOST to save the jobs of parapros, nurses, P.E. and music...What a bunch of liars and what a sack of $*#&!!!
I think the citizens of this county along with the those employees affected need to unite and fight the imcoptence of Dr. DeCotis and this school board.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:48am.

You can blame what you want on the splost, but tell me this, how much has been taken in so far.....none, hasn't been charged yet, taxes still 6% so far. BTW, your charge of incompetence would be more effective if you could spell it.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 5:51am.

When are you guys going to WAKE UP?

Before the elections, there was no mention of higher taxes. Weeks after..SOME...BOE were back in, here comes SPLOST.

You were TOLD it was to save teachers jobs, another conn. They got SPLOST and now they are gonna cann the teachers.

Do you people have to be hit on the head with a rock to wake up?

Take a long hard look at the excess land the school board owns. How many millions did that cost? and now they can't GIVE it away!

Take a long hard look at Rivers and the millions for it. Now it won't be opened because we don't have enough kids for it. Look at where it was built.

Over and over, the taxpayers, teachers, and yes, our children, are paying for the ego and stupidity of the 3 on the school board.

What will it take for someone to start a petition to get rid of them?


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:06am.

or tell the tale, in this case.

Who's children are paid as 'custodians', and why theirs?

Let us say, as opposed to some child who needs the money and offered the part time job? Or announced at school as a way to make extra money? and see if any of the kids would like it?

who's child just walked in out of the blue, and got a teaching job at one of the most elite schools in our county? Will their child 'walk the plank' so to speak, with the other fired teachers?

Who's travel allowance, paid by the county, equals half their salary?

Some feel entitlement and elite in small areas of judgement. How do you think they feel when the big issues come rolling around?


Submitted by RewsDad on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:15am.

It's "whose," not "who's."

See what happens when there aren't any good teachers around?

Submitted by ptcmom678 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 7:12am.

Meet Zachary SMOLA, Starrs Mill's newest English teacher. Mr. SMOLA is a first year teacher and coach. Funnily enough, it looks like Mr. SMOLA is more famous for his musical aspirations than his teaching skills. Looks like someone was looking out for Zachary SMOLA and wanted him to have enough money coming in while waiting for that American Idol slot to open up. N-E-P-O-T-I-S-M at work.

And you think he's going to be one of those let go? Bet you're waiting for the Great Pumpkin on Halloween too.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 7:28am.

that would fit the definition of 'one of the big decisions that would come rolling around' wouldn't it? Bet he doesn't walk the plank. Just my thoughts.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 6:01am.

Let's recap the FCBOE:

1. We have exorbitantly high school bond payments due to short sighted amortization schedules
2. We have one of the highest school millage rates on property taxes in the state, right at the legal maximum
3. We have the $115 million dollar SPLOST "slush fund"...

and they're still talking about laying off 175 teachers.


Submitted by ptcmom678 on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 5:53pm.

Do the math. At most elementary schools and middle schools there are only 2 at the most media specialists. Usually one is part-time. Several are close to retiring. Art, music, band, and PE teachers - several are already at more than one location. Most elementary schools have a single (over-worked) counselor. Middle school counselors? Maybe there's two of them, but one will be split between two schools.

The high school staffing picture in these areas aren't much better. High school is the last opportunity some students have to foster their fine arts appreciation. Didja know that Fayette County English classes do two research projects a year? That's just the English department. The high school counselors are also overworked. They have to deal with the academic AND psychological issues for kids. It's not that they're doing the parent's job, it's just they see the kids in a different light.

And over-worked, under-paid, under-appreciated teachers. No sarcasm meant there, teachers. God bless you for the job you do, and all the extra time you put in. Thank you so much for all the time, love, and energy you put in.

If kids are our future, our future is getting royally screwed over by those who would rather deplete the ranks of those who directly instruct, rather than cutting from the ones who most INDIRECTLY affect the kids.

Our Lady Of Victory, you may want to do another open house. Homeschooling organizations, we may need you.

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Submitted by rzz on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 5:50pm.

Not one administrative person, not one assistant principal, not one, not a single, solitary one recommended to get the ax?

Who made up the list?

What a sham!


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 7:29am.

who has given up what at the central office, no one it seems.

Someone made the comment that if a principal was out for a day or two did the school stop running, but if a few hands-on teachers are out it does make a difference. Let's take that one step further, would anything stop running if the central office was out for days, I think not.

Based on a story I was reading about a CEO drastically cutting his pay for the good of the company and employees . . .I can't help but wonder who is setting the example at FCBOE.


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 12:44pm.

directly contact these folks with you opinions -

Terri Smith – smith.terri@fcboe.org 770-460-5579
Lee Wright – wright.lee@fcboe.org 770-632-6222
Janet Smola – smola.janet@fcboe.org 770-631-9814
Marion Key – key.marion@fcboe.org 770-631-3627
Bob Todd – todd.bob@fcboe.org 770-461-7809
Dr. John DeCotis – smith.katherine@fcboe.org (his secretary) 770-460-3535 (office)


Submitted by bandmama1 on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 5:34pm.

Maybe this: "The 11-member Budget/Allotment Committee — the group that drew up the reduction list — is made up entirely of administrative staff and no teachers."
Explains why: "Nearly all the proposed reductions were for certified staff, those who have a contract such as teachers, psychologists, counselors, media specialists and art, music, band and physical education instructors."
I would rather see a reduction in administrators, assistant superintendents, central office employees, etc. than in teachers, counselors, psychologists, music, band, art, and physical education instructors or media specialists!

Submitted by hi grover on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 6:38pm.

I heard that all of the principals and the assistant principals have 3 yr. contracts. I thought that they were only supposed to have 1 year contracts. Doesn't this violate state laws concerning schools? That is why only the teachers who are yearly contracted can legally be reduced. The FCBOE gave out these 3 yr contracts and cannot nullify them without legal challenge by the administrators. Quite a pickle the FCBOE has gotten itself into.
It is a shame that our kids and teachers have to suffer because the 3 amigos have run the school system into the ground!!!

Submitted by Brooks Parent on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 9:30pm.

Dr. D gave all these contracts out. If no one fights it, ie public, of course it is going to go through. Also, principal's pay is based on the number of students that are in the building and is adjusted accordingly. SO, why is Dr. Warr still making the same amount when he had 2500 students and now when there are 1400??

Submitted by hi grover on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 6:35pm.

I heard that all of the principals and the assistant principals have 3 yr. contracts. I thought that they were only supposed to have 1 year contracts. Doesn't this violate state laws concerning schools? That is why only the teachers who are yearly contracted can legally be reduced. The FCBOE gave out these 3 yr contracts and cannot nullify them without legal challenge by the administrators. Quite a pickle the FCBOE has gotten itself into.
It is a shame that our kids and teachers have to suffer because the 3 amigos have run the school system into the ground!!!

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 7:37pm.

No, Assistant Principals do not have multi year contracts. Nor do they have 'tenure'. Now let's get to the nuts and bolts. I know this because a family member is an Assistant Principal in your county - but will be moving to another county next year.

Not a single person on this self proclaimed "Committee" is from a school - All 11 are 100% county office personnel. Some have never even taught or worked in a school and of those that have, some have never been a building administrator, run a school, or supervised teachers.

In addition, NO school input was sought from this committee of 11 - and NO input was accepted. The entire initial cost cutting committee was disregarded and disbanded and the board never seriously considered their recommendation thanks to Laura Brock and Renee Ellis. Laura Brock gave her own recommendation of suggested cuts to the board immediately following the patronizing presentation by the token committee of building administrators by Ms. Brock (an accountant).Later, Renee Ellis (never a regular teacher or a building administrator) claimed she had already been trying to determine how to legally cut teacher/building administrator pay and benefits with the board attorneys before the board even asked her to do so in the board meeting last month.

Laura Brock and Renee Ellis railroaded the teachers and building administrators from the very beginning and they have been prodded and encouraged every step of the way by your board members. Sheep led to slaughter - with nary a voice to be heard.

By the way, Assistant Principals are the lowest paid administrators in any metro county according to the salary study conducted two years ago. This same study recommended that they receive a pay increase. Since then they have been asked to take a voluntary pay cut, told the SPLOST would solve the problems and to lobby for it, and have now been informed of all of this upcoming fiasco courtesy of ill-planning and poor management and pay cuts. I wouldn't lump them in with the county office fat cats.

Building principals and county office personnel were determined to be on the highest end of this same salary study.

Listening to the board meetings, I have not heard a single recommendation that cuts be made in operations and maintenance which makes up more than 12% of the 150+ million dollar budget.

The board members, and county office personnel, unlike the building administrators all have travel claims reimbursed by the school system.

All administrators are not created equal. The mass exodus of the people that made our school system what it is/was will be coming courtesy of your board, L. Brock, and R. Ellis and will be accompanied by those running the schools themselves - the assistant principals.

Median pay in Fayette County for an Assistant Principal is $72,600. Some Assistant Principals make less than many of the teachers they supervise. This is true despite working a longer contract, more nights and weekends and longer daily hours. The starting pay in Clayton County for an assistant principal is $87,000.

If you think for one minute that the county office group, brought in from out of the county, isn't turning your system in to a mirror image of what the ran from (or were invited to leave from) then sit back and watch them dismantle the system.

Every cut made should be outside of the school building - period.

Not one teacher, not one assistant principal, not the building principals, not the secretaries, not the para-pros, not the counselors, not the media specialists ... not ONE building level employee should be touched as long as facilities and building operations and maintenance, transportation and human resources (who are you going to hire?) and the county office top heavy administrative group are doing business anywhere close to business as usual.

Chew on that for a while - you'all.

Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 5:28pm.

Don't we have a superintendent of schools whose job includes planning ahead to avoid such crises?

Even if millions come down the road from state and federal funds (the Stimulus)... Adjustments must be made to run the school system as a business.

If kids living outside the county are going to school here they should pay equal to what it costs to educate a Fayette student is that figure $1000.00 ? WHO PICKED OUT $1000.00 AS A FIGURE ?

The FCBOE website shows;
Enrollment total as of September 8, 2008: 22,084
Per pupil expenditure: $8,317.86

So the 300 or so students out of the district YOU ARE BY YOUR OWN FIGURES $2,459,358.00 IN EXPENDITURE. Quite a bargain and a fairly nice GIFT FROM the Fayette Taxpayers.

It was just October when we we're told 171 jobs would be cut unless we passed a SPLOST - WHICH WE DID..

Maybe it's time we looked at the people running this ship and find out why they can't perhaps it's because when you look at the masthead for the FCBOE you see Directors, Assistant Director's Secretaries to the Assistant Director?

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Submitted by cowtipn on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 5:53pm.

I thought the same thing, $1,000 seems capricious. Then I got to thinking about property taxes and saw that the average for Fayette is about $2500, (for people with mortgages). If we make some assumptions, a savings of $2500 for an out of county teacher is about a 7.5% benefit, (in exchange for bringing us their talent). By charging $1,000, the benefit drops to 4.5% or a 3% cut in pay. This is in addition to the other cuts in pay we are already deducting.
Fayette County has historically paid some of the lowest teacher wages in the state because of our "good" and "safe" schools. However, there still needs to be some incentive for attracting outside talent into the county. While I do think there is some elasticity in the $1,000 charge, (perhaps $1,500) we should also consider the other cuts they are absorbing and their contributions to the system.
On the other hand, firing bad and laying off overpaid and "tenured" teachers and administrators, I'm all about that!


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