but during a Recession/Depression.. With 7.5 Million out of work.. another 450,000 jobs lost just last week alone, don't cha think the Government needs to "FEEL OUR PAIN" just a little..

Defense Dept increased their $150K+ jobs by 8232 in 18 MONTHS.

The DOT had just ONE employee making over $170k. 18 MONTHS later and BAM.. 1690 now make over $170k..

Like I said in the good times rock and roll.... get it while you can.. but when this economy is shedding jobs at a rate of 450,000+ per WEEK.. and the Government has the stones to go after Private businesses because their people make too much is well HYPOCRITICAL at best.

"A little matter will move a party

~Thomas Paine"

Just made a quick check of current Fed Pay Chart and if I was still working, I'd be making $128,000 and change--that means the salary has increased more than $32,000 in 8 1/2 yrs!

Ok, The United States of Mexico is Broke, No money, How in the hell can they give pay and benefit increases to anyone. This crap is going to come to a tragic halt one day. I simply cant understand the spending by the Jack ass group in the government. We are Broke, What does it take for everyone to understand this. We should rent out rooms in white house instead of wasting all that space. Vote out anyone in office at the time of the next election. Thats everyone even our lovely president. Merry Christmas to all

FBI, CIA , NTSB , ATC A few of us take our jobs seriously. So far they haven't found a computer that can do my job.

Merry Christmas normal. obumbles has already said no cost of living raise for federal employees, only the white collar criminals we elect will get raises this year.

and Air traffic controllers got screwed so bad many years ago, I don't now if they will ever catch up.

As for the pencil pushers, I've had some that make you beat your head against the wall. I think there is a lot of hiring your buddy going on, cause some of the rank and file can't walk and chew gum at the same time. That is a fact, yet they pull down salaries that are ridiculous for what they don't do.

PATCO was led by self-serving idiots that couldn't understand the simple fact of law that they couldn't go on strike and had agreed to that. Why they were shocked that Reagan didn't intervene is just how deluded these folks were.

Those were scary times for pilots with a whole slew of replacements on the job, but the aviation biz survived without PATCO. One of the dumbest strikes ever. Probably rivaled by Eastern pilots who forced a showdown with scumbag Lorenzo that cost them their jobs and the airline itself.

Because of the strike, many of them were laid off since airlines had to reduce flight schedules to some cities by as much as 50% and overall flight schedules were trimmed back by 30% nation-wide in order to accommodate controller shortages.

Gee, what was the name of the union that turned its back on President Carter and supported Reagan.

As for Eastern's fate, it was sealed before the pilots struck. They were hemorrhaging money badly and Ole Frankie L. stripped them of any and all profitable assets and left them with the heavy lead.
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Unions came to be because of the greed of the very rich, remember the coal miners etc. People were treated like dogs.

When the Unions came in, there was greed in that too. The intent was very good, but then you had the lazy people that used it as an excuse not to work and hid behind the union.

Either way, the greedy and lazy, have played a major role in the continuing plight of the American worker caught between the two.

How much longer will one person, a Mr. Lorenzo, be totally blamed for Eastern's demise?

It was caused by many, just like the big banks going broke in 2008-09-10.
Difference is the government didn't bail them out since they didn't have anything worth having! And they weren't too big to fail!

Now: what caused the banks to fail?

He would address the pilots in the newspapers. Not smart. I remember when he made the announcement one time too many, if the pilots don't give us the concessions we want...we will have to close the doors.

That was it, he was so stupid. Delta got all of Eastern's cruise passengers with that last statement. They called Delta and stated, "this is the last straw, the last time someone spooks out passengers. We don't care if you cost more, we will pay it to have piece of mind."

Cruise companies got 'negotiated fares'. Fares that because of the size of the group, were much lower than anyone else would pay. Delta had backed off because Eastern was charging the cruise companies so little, there was no money left.

As for Lorezo, he WAS/IS a monster. I was on a plane with him once, I couldn't believe one person would hurt so many for a few pieces of silver. He destroyed CO and he went after Eastern with only one idea, to kill it and sells it's parts.

I have never understood that kind of mentality. What was it in the Bible, if you win the whole world and loose your own soul? something like that. Anyway, to me, people like that could be pitied, if they didn' hurt so many others with their sickness.

Well how about this? How much longer will the Demos blame President Bush for everything from A to Z even though the Demos fingerprint's are all over the place?
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and Air traffic controllers got screwed so bad many years ago, I don't now if they will ever catch up.

As for the pencil pushers, I've had some that make you beat your head against the wall. I think there is a lot of hiring your buddy going on, cause some of the rank and file can't walk and chew gum at the same time. That is a fact, yet they pull down salaries that are ridiculous for what they don't do.

Do you know any? Yes, there are some sorry federal employees, just like there are some sorry employees in the private sector. But while they may be sorry performers, federal employees share one common value--that of patriotism. I do not pretend to infer that patriotism is any sort of excuse for poor performance but you don't offer any stats, only an opinion==and that's OK, but not something to take to the bank.

A wise man once said that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

We just have to remember President Nixon to understand what the wise man said.

Not all of them at least. But they are all looting the taxpayer's dollars, and I find it shameful.

Federal employees are very patriotic. Afterall they have made decisions to serve our country and swore loyalty to the Constitution before starting their service

And they are highly paid because overall they are better educated, more skilled, and perform more difficult jobs with greater responsibilities than the average American worker. The Federal workforce is not comparable to the U.S. workforce in general.

You should be grateful for the service of the Federal employees.

And they are not "looting the taxpayer's dollars." Federal employees are taxpayers just like all American workers.

that makes $68k+ a year plus those wonderful benefits.. is more educated, dedicated and have any more of a difficult job then say a Fortune 500 Company's Secretary?

You're right there is no comparison. Fed workers can't be fired or Laid off.. unlike their so called counterparts.

"A little matter will move a party

~Thomas Paine"

If you think you have what it takes go here and apply.

Be advised, you'll most likely need some level of, 'specialized experience' or ‘level of expertise’ beyond a high school diploma, to qualify for anything above a GS-5.

These jobs are open to all that apply. So to all of you blowhard’s that think Fed. workers are worthless, over paid lackeys, lets see if you can make the grade.

Go ahead, apply for one of these over paid jobs, if you think your current education or life experience qualifies you for one of them.

Just remember, most jobs will require a one year evaluation period. If you can't muster the required skill set, you’re gone. (yes you can be fired)

You have no idea how much continuing education is required to keep all of you ‘little people’ in line.

So if you think you have the stones, pony up, and apply for a job in the Fed. Govt. If you have what it takes than you too can be on the inside looking out.

I found several jobs that I'm going to apply for. I'm tired of working two jobs to make up for a pay cut I received this year. There was a job listed for a mathematician! Woohoo! And a behavioral scientist......I couldn't believe it. Maybe my degrees will prove to be useful after all! Who knows? I will apply and find out!

what's called a set of "Knowledges, Skills & Abilities" to the table or you won't be able to compete. Every job announcement will have a set of :"KSA's" and you must specifically identify those you have and be able to detail your ability to satisfy those requirements.

Why would you say such a thing? Bush,no? Hannity must have said it.

There is so much inaccuracy in Lindsey's "sayings" I'm not going to spread them around.

Federal workers got 2% last year and may get 2.9% pay raises in 2010.
None of which was approved by Obama!! Bush did sign that budget. (OOPS)

These are "median" numbers, not "average" numbers, anyway.
Geologists, for instance, do make more than bus drivers!

I suppose we could put all federal workers, except the President and Vice President, on the same pay scale as say: City officials.
PTCs run from $180,000 down to $18 and hour, don't they? And health and pensions.

They work hard also. Sweat just pours! Muscles get real sore. Butt.

Please point out those inaccuracies... I would love for you to refute them. I mean the info did come from that hard Right wing site USA Today.

"A little matter will move a party

~Thomas Paine"

Obumbles has already said there will be no cost of living raise for federal employees. Get over it.

Some federal employees outside of the military are involved in saving lives every day. Some federal employees actually do work : FBI, CIA, NTSB, ATC.

Our "representatives"???? in D.C. are the only ones who are getting a raise this year, oh and probably obumbles himself. Get a clue.

2009 Federal Pay Raise:
3.9% Increase for Federal Employees

Dang Bonky!!! Dude, you are wrong again. Let's figure this together. 3.9% ACTUAL 2009 pay increase minus Bonkies 2.00% claim leaves a whopping 1.9% difference. Almost a 100% overall error by Bonker$. But..when you calculate numbers on Pelosi's Calculator it is understandable as to how you derived those numbers. Yep...Bush signed it on his way out, rubber stamping the pork laden budget congress screwed us taxpayers with.

I suppose we could put all federal workers, except the President and Vice President, on the same pay scale as say: City officials.

No Bonker$. But what we could do is put Federal workers on the same pay-scale as the vast majority of American Citizens are on. Care to take a stab as to the percentage Fed Employees get paid over Harry Reid's stinky subordinates?

Hmmm..wonder how many of us "stinky tourists" got pay raises this year compared to the measley 2% - 3.9% pay increases the federal hacks get in 09 & year 10.