Conservative family principles

Been trying to define the subject above now for some time, that is as it is used by those who espouse them.

I think it means those who don't want any welfare, or any government program helping them; and also, they attend a Christian Church at least some so as to have someone to bury them. Also they are reasonably clean, live in a reasonably clean neighborhood, want many, many policemen and firemen but don't want to pay them very much, want pristine school teachers with no political agenda but don't want to pay them very much either. Certainly the teachers are not to have illegal sex or any sex if possible.

Giving the church 10% of income and maybe the Salvation Army or others 5%, Washington a net of about 20% after deductions, and the state maybe 5%, and sales tax about 7% of expenditures, and property tax about 1% of the million dollar house ($10,000), fees, bonds, and other such stuff, gets to be a reason to march on Washington since your assets are down 20%--all the way to 2-3 million dollars! (Countin the house and Mercedes of course.)
A lot of in-debt red-neks also jine in on this march.

Now if I am wrong about these family values and principles (I didn't count the 5000 dollar liquor bill and the 5000 dollar eat-out allowance) please add to them as you see fit.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 7:33am.

A family with principles knows that it is not the size of the house but the love that abounds inside the house that makes a home. Seems to me that there are many - rich and poor, liberal and conservative, black and white - that have never learned the distinction between house and home.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 9:04am.

Do you consider Sarah Palin as a person with a "home" and "family values?" How about the Cheneys and the Sonny Bonos?
Can any rock bands be inclided?

I'm not being a wise a.., just wanting to know what can be overlooked and why some can be overlooked and some can not!

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 9:00am.

I wanted to know about "principles and family values"!

"Going home" has many meanings for many people. I'm afraid I don't know what your meaning is though.

I suppose it has to do with relatives and friends. Also, a place where children are raised well and safe. (I used the word "well" which also has many interpretations.)

I think people "make a home" wherever they are. Even in a house!

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Submitted by dawn69 on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 10:43am.

I disagree, you did not want to know about "principles and family values". You wanted to put a political spin on something that is, or at least should be, far removed from politics. My point was that anyone, conservative or liberal, that would attempt to place their "million dollar" home, their Mercedes, and taxes into the criteria for "family values" is not only shallow but incredibly stupid. That goes for anyone who judges others' "family values" based on who they elect or where they live.

I also think that anyone who thinks all conservatives drive fancy cars, tithe, and complain about paying taxes on their mansions need to get outside their pampered community and take a real look at life.
I do find it comforting, though, that there are no liberals that drive nice cars, go to church, or live in big houses. I was completely unaware that not one liberal has accrued debt beyond their financial means and that all corporations are solely owned by conservatives. Now I understand what you guys are all bitching about.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 11:27am.

Not who has family values and principles, but what are they?

Enumerate, please. Or give examples! You for one, I suppose?

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Submitted by dawn69 on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 12:30pm.

Go back and read your original post, then we can talk. Otherwise, you're not much more than a court jester are you?

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 1:44pm.

I re-read it. Don't get you!

You can not describe "family values and principles" that should fit all, can you?

Nor can I.
I just hate to hear it without an explanation as to meaning.

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 11:15am.

Excellent reply.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 11:24am.

You don't expect much from dawn do you?

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 2:16pm.

"You don't expect much from dawn do you?"

I expect Dawn to be thoughtful, compassionate and witty. She never disappoints.

I expect you (and all of your alter egos) to be thoughtless, bitter and crass. You never disappoint either.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 3:27pm.

What is the alter-ego thing?

How am I thoughtless? Bitter? Crass?

How about you enumerating what "family values and principles" are since dawn won't?

You know the mafia had extreme family values and great principles. They went to mass, they contributed to charity and the church, they took care of their families with gobs of money, they wiped out dissenters, they donated to politicians, they loved unions, they ran waterfronts and provided wonderful loading jobs, they put enormous quantities of truckers on the road, the kept the munitions manufacturers busy, they took no welfare (except stealing it), they were for the NRA, (especially the part about not registering guns), and kept the dress suit people busy tailoring!

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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 12:08am.

"...since dawn won't"

It's not that I won't respond or that I can't respond. I really did not realize that you were anxiously awaiting my response. I would have replied sooner, but, you see, when afternoon rolls around my children are coming home from school. In my value system, they come first.

First order of business is to ask how their day went and to assist in getting the homework done. When homework and daily chores are done, because teaching responsibility is a must, then they can go play. My son later comes home with a broken slinky that the boy next door tore up. I had to remind him of the importance of respecting others property and gently remind him that he had committed a similar offense last week. After inquiring if the boy had said he was sorry, I eased into the lecture regarding the prudence of accepting an apology if it is sincere.

He returned outside to play again with the neighbor boy. Shortly he was home again and I had to explain that a person can not be chased if he doesn't run. Yes, he can be caught, but he can't be chased. How a person acts once caught exhibits as much about character as the fact that he didn't run.

Let's see...then we sat down as a family for a home cooked meal at which time my daughter received yet another lecture on not smacking and sitting up straight. We listened to her complain about what all her team mates did wrong at their last softball game and had to remind her that, while she played well, she made mistakes too. She needed to learn that a team works together - they win together and they lose together. When you start pointing fingers, a team breaks down and can not function together.

Moving on...when bedtime came, there were stories to read. We read The Little Red Hen, Biscuit Goes to the Big City, and The Berenstein Bears Count their Blessings. I've always loved The Little Red Hen - how none of the other animals wanted to help sow the wheat, reap the wheat, etc. But they sure wanted some of that fine bread the hen worked so hard to make.

Then I went into my daughters room to read her essay on Obama's speech. It was very good, by the way, except that I made her correct misspelled words like "edgucation". I did not mention any of my own political views to her except to reemphasize and support what she had heard in the speech.

At no time this evening did politics play a part in the family values of my home. I imagine my day was no different than that of anyone else. I'm sure that my routine was similar to those in homes all over the country - conservative or liberal.

So when you ask about "Conservative family values", I can't help you out much. I'm sure that liberals like Mainstream take as much care in raising their families as I try to do with my own. This was, after all, a political quest you were after. You know in your heart what concepts and teachings constitute family values. If you have lived this long without obtaining that specific wisdom, then there really isn't much I can say to help you.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 4:41am.

I thought you worked at those hours when the kids get home and go to bed? Most of the time anyway?

I remember all those little books also. My wife didn't work until last one in high school, however. That is she didn't get paid--just went to ballet, chorus, ball games, church pre-school, scouts, pageants, and all school activities including PTA in those days.

Yes, those are some of the family values and I suppose principles for living that we need but I'm afraid that they are applied so infrequently and stopped too early in many cases.

It would also help if we did more to punish those ADULTS who do wrong in our political party, so as to show our principles even under duress! Many of those greedy people were also raised with "The Little Red Hen."

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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 7:31am.

Good morning. I only work those hours that you speak of three nights a week now. After the last year of working approximately 80 hours a week for a restaurant that failed in the end, I'm not willing to do that again. I had gotten tired of always struggling and saw an opportunity to make things better. I was able to earn enough to pay off three credit cards, my student loan, and my car. But, during my quest for the almighty dollar - my children suffered. When I think back on what it did to them to have me gone all the time, I can't help but cry. I won't ever do that again and can't believe that I was momentarily so blinded by money that I couldn't see what was important.

The hardest lessons to learn in life are the ones when you realize how wrong you were.

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Submitted by black flag on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 10:14pm.

as a "drive by blogger" (thanks for the gloss lindsey) who enjoys reading the bonk posts, and the predictable spew from the anti-bonk regulars...I couldn't help but laugh at this latest round. I love how you people always respond with SHUT UP or some other refusal to provide a reasonable response.
I read this stuff about how Bonk is bitter and crass, yet most of his writings seem to be questions that just agitate the stuffing out of you geezers and others with too much time on your hands.

It's hard to use the conservative indoctrination methods of repeating things over and over and yelling people down, on a blog, so I guess Shut up and other insults will have to do.

thank you for the entertainment.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 4:00am.

Thank you for pin-pointing the attitude of the Fayette republicans!
I am an Independent in case you never noticed. I voted for John McCain because I thought he had the best chance to do "something" at least about our severe problems brought about by Bush and company.
I did not vote for Palin. She pained me greatly and still does.
Palin is as shallow and false as many on here and can only act as if Alaska's income from oil tariffs on the oil companies doesn't run Alaska!

I have tried my best twice to pull something out of these strange creatures in Fayette County who have NO OPEN MIND, whatsoever.
Rather than answer questions intelligently--no matter how provoked--they continue to name-call and use the new President as the cause of it all.
That will take time to see. They know that but is just another ploy to say: "republican, republican, republican, and nothing else.

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 7:29pm.

"What is the alter-ego thing?"

Stupid question. We've covered that.

"How am I thoughtless? Bitter? Crass?"

How are you not? Just pick any thread on here and you'll strike gold. You can't help yourself.

"How about you enumerating what "family values and principles" are since dawn won't?"

Too late for me to teach you any "family values and principles". Since your party believes it takes a village, ask some of your brethren. Besides, do you think for a minute that I would start a serious discussion with you?

"You know the mafia had extreme family values and great principles.....blah, blah....."

Yeah, I've seen the Godfather trilogy too. It was classic.

Submitted by Davids mom on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 8:33am.

Beautiful! Thanks!

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