They are not calling themselves that. The libs are doing so. A somewhat juvenile attempt at humor from teat suckers.

I agree with a lot of the FreedomWorks agenda myself as it's pretty libertarian. They tend to shy away from taking bold stands on some of the more controversial issues but on fiscal policy and role of governments, I agree. That a "rich billionaire" Steve Forbes is on the board and involved in policy decisions is hardly different from a George Soros and MoveOn and isn't inherently "good" or "bad."

My problem with the tea party galas is that they seemed to be overly-focused on the taxation issue alone, an issue that I'm not so sure in and of itself is something to rise up and howl about. If the tea parties manage to swing the Republican party back towards fiscal conservatism and limited government and away from neo-conservatism/liberalism, that may be mission accomplished.

Right now, the Republican party nationally has a dearth of ideas, lacks leaders, and a terrible track record of promoting a bigger, more powerful federal government along with huge spending and deficits. Throw in the social agenda that is guaranteed to alienate a good chunk of voters-especially those under 35-and you don't have a viable political party. Maybe the tea parties will wake them up nationally.

"...Rep. Ron Paul's (R-TX) media coordinator Steve Gordon decried what he characterized as an attempt by mainstream conservative Republicans to hijack a long-cherished libertarian cause."

The Tea Parties, and their organizers/attendees, are tools of the Repub's. Why else would opportunists's like Sean Hannity and Dick Armey be speaking at the Atlanta event tonight? Why not Ron Paul and/or some well known Libertarian's?? The Atlanta organizers should have insisted that a Libertarian speak, like Neil Boortz, and distance themselves from these two neocon pinheads. The Tea Parties, and its message, have lost all credibility.

They're tools.

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The Tea Parties, and its message, have lost all credibility.

. . .and this a shame. The Tea Party - without the hijacking - should be a message to our local leaders that the American people are watching closely how this stimulus money will be/or is being spent. Are more jobs created - so that there are additional incomes to tax? Is the project moving us toward future needs/jobs?

To only complain about spending money - after years of misspent funds by 'government' and private industry is disingenuous.

"To only complain about spending money - after years of misspent funds by 'government' and private industry is disingenuous."

Exactly.

On a local level, I would have supported a non-partisan "Tea Party" protest against the way our local tax dollars were used by the FCBOE.

I agree with you that this should be a nonpartisan operation. Here is where I disagree with you, though. Why is the federal government in the business of, and using the metrics for "jobs creation"? It is not the role of the federal government to ensure that private businesses increase their payrolls. Job creation the federal way is always a bloated public mess on the public dole.

”The Tea Parties, and its message, have lost all credibility.
. . .and this a shame. The Tea Party - without the hijacking - should be a message to our local leaders that the American people are watching closely how this stimulus money will be/or is being spent. Are more jobs created - so that there are additional incomes to tax? Is the project moving us toward future needs/jobs?
To only complain about spending money - after years of misspent funds by 'government' and private industry is disingenuous.”
Protest are never ever “hijacked” by special interest groups??? REALLLY
So let’s say “ACORN” or “Code Pink” takes over a ..oh I don’t know.. say a protest of Gay Rights and attempts to turn it into a referendum on Socialism … Does that make the original issue any less pertinent?
Just because a “Special Interest” group “hijacks” in your words a protest does not change the original intent.. no matter how the Liberals or MainStream Media wants to portray it..
The only loss of credibility is yours…

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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Ron Paul has had his moment in the sun and maybe the tea parties need a different messenger. Someone that comes across better than the strident and tedious Ron Paul. Armey is a pretty true "conservative" and not the neo-con type that suddenly becomes very enamored with large government when they are the ones calling the shots. Armey has supported very open markets, liberalized immigration policy, SS privatization, streamlining the military, etc. and fiscal conservatism for long enough to have real credibility.

As far as Boortz goes, I don't think a lot of people take him that seriously. He's got the celeb value and all, but is it "real" or just a role he plays to get paid? Those who grew up in Atlanta during the 1970's remember his schtick back then: far left wing when the prevailing thought was very conservative. Later as GA politics changed and some of the Dems became more moderate, he switched to far right wing. After the Repubs got their hands on things and the country got a little more "conservative" socially, he became a Libertarian. He made his mark as basically a "shock jock" back before the term was widely used.

My question is.. Why are you so afraid of this..?
What is different then say all of the Gay Rights protest.. Gay Marriage protest.. Immigrant rights protest et al..
I did not see you talking about "hijacked" by say acorn or radical groups hmmm.. I smell a little HIPOCRISY.. and it smells good..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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"Why are you so afraid of this..?"

No fear on my part, Lindsey. But it's all a sham - just calling it as I see it.

Some advice for you today while you're all out tea-bagging.... breathe through your mouth.

to make gratuitous homosexual references? Lindsey is obviously a man, so why the insinuation? Words mean stuff MS. There is a stronger likelihood of your participation in this activity. Is breathing through your mouth good advice? Curiousity compells the question

You can take my post any way you like. You seem to have a way of twisting things in your sordid mind.

I actually only became aware of the term and definition after NUK's comment:

"I wonder how many of protesters realize what the slang term "teabag" means? I guess they also missed the TV show Prison Break since one of the characters is named "Teabag" and the reasons why."

You know what it means, as well as those others on this blog who have used the term disparagingly (The right wingers here weren't using it until it was thrown at them). If you are using it in context, as your post indicated with the breathing statement, why do you do the gay-bashing, or more appropriately, gay-baiting? That seems to be a left-wing hypocritical tactic. I took it the way you meant it. After seeing many of your posts, I have no doubt that your mind is much more sordid than mine. And much more embracive of the sordid lifestyle. Where is the sushi? may I suggest some poorly prepared fugu for dinner tonight

The only reference I've seen to this being a homosexual thingy, is in YOUR post. I didn't see the gay reference you were speaking of in the definition (Wikipedia or the UrbanDictionary). I think your reference to "gay-bashing" and "gay-baiting" is because of your own repressed urges - care to elaborate, Mr. "Wide-Stance" Wedge?

You know, for you, Lindsey and MOC being such manly-men, you sure do whine alot about getting your feeeelings hurt over *words* from a female blogger.

"You know, for you, Lindsey and MOC being such manly-men, you sure do whine alot about getting your feeeelings hurt over *words* from a female blogger."

It ain't about me being manly and you being female. It ain't about you ever hurting my feelings. See, I like to play rough. I'll play it either way on here, but you never have to worry about hurting my feelings. I'm not going to worry about hurting yours either. You make it as rough as you want back.

What it IS about though is this. It's about wits, cleverness, sarcasm, and humor. Games you want so badly to play, but suck at. I have always owned you. I will always own you. You know it when you close your eyes at night.

Let's play on here anytime.....I'm always around.

You are telling a male to do an act that can only be done with another male. You and Sniffle both are using teabagging and directing it to other men. By definition gay-baiting, you dolt, especially if you do not know their orientation anyway. You are a typical hypocritical leftist. Most likely a staunch feminist that gleefully tears into other women that do not share your party. In short- a hypocritical disgrace. Now go find that bad fugu and pi$$ off.

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dimwit and dense...... you stupidly double post. Doohhh! Hey, I've done it before. I'll do it again.

Now: Back in your bunker! The government IS coming to get you, ya know?

ps. Ohhh, and I just loves to watch main rip into them plump, juicy republigirls MMMM MMMMM! That is sumthin to see my friend!

I see that the dog head of Diva speaks. Where art Mainstream and Sniffles? You have three heads, but you share the same backside and you excrete the same foul crap. Nothing really to add, just sniping and barking like dogs. Guarding your version of Hades called the Command Economy.

We will stand up for your rights as well.. There will always be fighters and the ones that sit on the side lines..and benefit from others efforts.. stay seated mainstream and enjoy the ride..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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an apartif. If we liberals are standing on the side lines, and you are fighting FOR us, just what should we expect citizens in the minority party to achieve for us, being that our President, Congress, and Senate are driving this boat? Speaking for mainstream, we won our fight November 4th. Now we're letting our leadership do their jobs. Our fight's done till november 2010 when we get to vote some more "party of no" folks out.

till november 2010 when we get to vote some more "party of no" folks out

We'll see.

BTW a bloggers coffee social is coming to PTC. Stay tuned for details.
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What are Republicans going to run on, buddy? Gay marriage? Teen pregnancy? Fiscal responsibility? National security? Inclusiveness? Their track record? I am serious. I can't see a platform coming out of the party of Rush Limbaugh. Maybe you do.

My party doesn't need Rush and doesn't exclude anyone. My party doesn't hide behind a "make believe" world of false promises. Yes, November 2010 will be an interesting year.

BTW, the President has tapped Randy Babbitt (an ex ALPA President) to be the head of the FAA.
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"My party doesn't need Rush and doesn't exclude anyone."

1. Who, at this point, has not bowed to Limbaugh's feet? Who hasn't apologized for dissing him as an "entertainer?" THE CHAIRMAN of your party has. Senators have. Congressmen have.

2. If I am a gay person who believes Dick Cheney's daughter should be allowed to marry her life partner, how welcome am I into your party?

3. If I believe in abortion rights for women, just how welcome will I be in the GOP?

4. If I believe the TARP is a good idea,or that all working Americans should have health care, will I be welcomed in as a Socialist, communist, Marxist member of the GOP, in good standing?

You have no idea what party affiliation I belong too and I plan on keeping it that way. I will give you a little secret though, I'm further to the right than you as I side with the ability of individuals to control and shape their futures. BTW, Main has already called me a closet liberal.

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of partisan politics. If you have plans for correcting the economy without the stimulus - don't keep it a secret!! The Tea Party should be a message to leaders that we are watching how money is being spent! We should be demanding even more transparency! Lets identify what is considered 'pork' in our own communities. I've been in Iowa - pig stink is unbearable - and I'm sure - after prolonged exposure, injurious to your health! Let's monitor what our legislators are using OUR MONEY for here in Georgia!

Most of us know that Krugman never had a non-partisan thought in his life. For those not so familiar, here is a little more bio on that NY Times hack Main quotes:

"Krugman is a self-described liberal. Krugman has explained that he views the term "liberal" in the American context to mean "more or less what social democratic means in Europe". He has declared himself an ardent supporter of the welfare state. His appointment in the Reagan Administration, he has reiterated in an autobiographical essay, was not expected or fitting. "It was, in a way, strange for me to be part of the Reagan Administration. I was then and still am an unabashed defender of the welfare state, which I regard as the most decent social arrangement yet devised."

Here is what some of his fans think of his "work":

"Daniel Okrent, a New York Times ombudsman, criticized Paul Krugman for "the disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers in a fashion that pleases his acolytes but leaves him open to substantive assaults." Okrent has also said that "when someone challenged Krugman on the facts, he tended to question the motivation and ignore the substance."

And then....

"Economist William L. Anderson has argued that Krugman's economic views are politically partisan and consistently promote a socialist agenda. Donald Luskin of the National Review is another frequent critic of Krugman. He has argued that "Krugman’s liberal agenda always takes precedence over economic principle."

Like I said before Main, all you have to do is follow your links to find out how you know what to think.....

does that make you a "Teat Sucker"? Or one that is content with feed from other's trough?

U.S. Citizens are voicing their displeasure in being over-taxed while supporting welfare queens & illegals and all you can come back with is an article by liberal NYT hack Paul Krugman?

Really? that's all you got Main?

Hahahahahahahahahaha. What a joke.

The United States of America
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Rest in Peace

Well, Fred, you may feel like you're over-taxed, but 61% of America disagrees with you (scroll down to bottom) LINK

61% of America considers their level of taxation to be "fair".

I did not see any statistical breakdown of the sampling, so let's assume that they developed a universal sample that is significant. Therefore, using 2004 numbers, they were 32.4% of all filers that paid no income tax. Then throw in the other percentages that paid a pittance and you are well on your way to 45% or so. I imagine that those that do not pay, or pay very little, are quite satisified with their level of taxation. People also tend to be happy with their fire protection and department coverages when they have not experienced any fires. If you are unaffected you tend to be content. Unless of course if one is a mirthless bastard who is not content with anything. Plenty of them around here

you are such a tool.

Spyglass, thank God Logsdon kept the vacation to China for the city mananger and him!!! Oh yeah, he's a real hawk eye conservative budget cutter for sure.

If Logsdon cuts a few more people from the city road repair crews, he can keep his pay raise too.

Even the Squirrel could figure out he's doing a 180 this year to get re-elected. It ain't rocket science.

Who is leading on the council anyway??? They are all acting like a bunch of scared school girls.

The #$@!&* is killing our city, something liberals are good at. Get ready for another liberal act: forcing a garbage provider on us. Capitalism and private choice is baaaaaaaad.

Vote Republican

problems myself. I'm just not sure that it can be pinned on any one person. Obviously, you give the Mayor much more credit than I do.

I was not in favor of cutting all the employees...I am on record on these blogs as being in favor of a tax increase to try and make ends meet. As we stand now, the grass is growing, and the City doesn't look so good to me.

I've addressed the Council as a whole about it, as of now NOT ONE of them has bothered to answer my questions.

I have answered every email on this and other issues I have seen. Just have been so busy today this was the first time I logged into the City email since this morning.

Was it sent today? I saw one on this issue sent at 3:55 PM. If not, please give me a date and I will check it out.

Less than 25% wanted all tax increases. About the same number wanted all service and department cuts. 52% wanted a mix of both.

To keep the City workers would have required a .5 mil 2010 increase in taxes by itself. Keeping all the same would have been an immediate 1.5 increase with tax increases jumping the rate to over 8 mils by 2013.

The highway landscaping outsourced last year has drawn zero complaints to date. Transitioning on the rest isn't an instant process due to legalities. It took a few weeks, which was unavoidable.

Hope that answers at least some issues.

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What about the pile up on 74 where the "vendors" did not use the required GDOT signage and 74 was a parking lot while we waited for it to be sorted out by the local police? I think they were mulching and it was last summer.

I was forwarded an e-mail addressed to all council members and Bernie McMullen dated Wednesday 08, 2009 at 7:18pm. I just spoke with the person that sent it to me and there has been absolutely NO ANSWER from you or any other person it was addressed to. There was a response from a Betsy Tyler, but there was not one from you. Hmmmmm? Wonder why that is?

Because it is Betsy's job to answer questions on day to day operations of that nature. Just as other Staff members answer a range of other questions that come to me.

PTC is under a Council/City Manager system of government. The exacting details of the day to day are handled by Staff.

We have Council, Administration, Departments, etc., because there is too much going on for anyone one person, or handful of persons, to be aware of it all. Same reality in the private sector.

Sending some questions to Staff to answer is done so for the purposes of giving you the best answer possible.

In the day to day operations Council is not legally allowed to directly give instructions to or interfere with workers, etc. Those must go through the City Manager.

No nefarious scheme involved.

And I repeat, I have received no complaints about the highway mowing. None. But have received some statements there job they are doing is fine.

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It's beyond obvious that Fayetteville roads look MUCH better than PTC. They actually have mulched/weeded beds. Trimmed bushes etc. Our roadways here have been going down hill for the last 2 years. All it takes is one ride East on Hwy 54. PTC can and should be doing better in this area.

Do you know if the Contracted workers are going to do anything other than cutting/weed eating? And the cutting I've seen looks ragged in many areas. Maybe it was too far out of hand to make it look good with the first cutting.

And yes, you (and only you I might add) answered an email I had. I thank you for the response.

Well, how much area of the Fayetteville roads have shrubs, etc. planted in the divided highways? In fact, they have very little divided highways at all.

Honestly, I do not know if Fayetteville or the County is paying for that landscaping, either. Fayetteville has a lot of County assets servicing them.

Not knocking their Main Street group. They are doing a fine job.

Landscaping is incredibly expensive. So expensive we had to cut back on how development entrances were landscaped.

In example, the entrance to Centennial. They were proud of their entrance and wanted more. That is until the upkeep was turned over to them by the developer, at which point they tried to get PTC to take on the expense because it cost too much.

Went through the same thing in my HOA. As landscape chair, several years ago, I switched our entrance over to shrubs and away from annuals. Just eliminating the flowers saved us $1,500 a year back then.

Any HOA wanting to take over their entrances are welcome to do so, as many have over the years. We have done ours for 22 years.

Where on 54 East? When you get down to around Steinmart and Publix, that is County, not PTC. At least not until next month, when the Phase 2 annexation is completed.

As well the State has killed the highway landscaping grants in the main. Landscaping a stretch of road runs into the high six digits.

If you want more exacting numbers on landscaping in specific areas, please email info@peachtree-city.org.

When you say the last two years there has been decline, that was with the workers under the RIF. The cuts on entrances was into the 2008.

Much of that was drought related. I saw the plants suffering from the drought as well in 2007. Grass turned brown and seeded out way earlier than normal. Water restrictions did not allow us to water them.

The Fayetteville plantings are much newer than ours. They didn't go through all the drought time and I believe they were watered when new, as permitted by law.

So, there are differences.

The Contracted workers will be doing more than just cutting, they will be doing litter, debris, etc.

I agree when the grass gets too tall the first cutting effort doesn't look good. But this company does the other areas for us just fine. They also do a lot of commercial and housing areas, and have done so for years.

You are most welcome on the email. I try to keep up with it but sometimes there are delays.

A lot of money struggles going on. Grants dried up, Sales Tax and SPLOST monies down, business closings and more that hurt.

If we loose SPLOST on the renewal that pretty much shuts down golf cart path work.

But even if we had all the money we needed, it would not have allowed us to water those plants under the water restrictions.

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I believe that you stated last week that the contract company would start cutting grass this week, well it's Thursday and the city still looks like it did last week. If the grass in my yard was this tall the city would have been here and cut it and presented me with a great big ol bill for services. I believe the ordinance states 12" tall, its way past that all over the city. Now which way are we going to play this one, is there one set of rules for the citizens and another for city hall?
Also, if the council is so worried about saving money then tell me why we are spending so much on the so called fix on the cart path on Peachtree Pkwy below J.C. Booth. The same fix could have been accomplished much more economically and much quicker so that someone wouldn't get their feet wet by crossing the spillway.

Obama's weapon of Choice!

The company awarded the grass cutting bid IS cutting the grass, I saw them doing it the other day, in the rain along Hwy. 54. As previously posted by someone else, by Council delaying the RIF (Reduction In Force), we got into the growing season, and the city had to delay the bid process, as the city couldn't put the bid out and award it until the city employee positions were eliminated. I believe the contractor has like five people assigned to cut all the city right of way, and one person assigned trash pick-up. In the last day or two I saw a pick-up truck parked along Hwy. 75 north of 54, with an individual picking up litter in the landscaped median. Cutting the entire city right-of-way can't be done in a day, and not even a week! You can't blame the contractor or city staff for long grass, as Council delayed the inevitable action, going into the growing season.

As for the modifications to the cart path, or as you termed "fix on the cart path" at the Parkway and Windgate rd. I believe this was more of an issue with storm-water drainage in the area, correcting problems associated with the ponds and runoff, with the cart path only being secondary.

You are correct, intheknow. The contract finalized Thursday, of last week, and mowing began on Friday.

I forget the exact number of crews and personnel the landscape service is providing.

A number of workers, their spouses and some others, at the Council Meeting where the issue was tabled for a month, argued it was totally unfair to do the RIF until the surveys were in. It was hard to deny that claim since the surveys were tools to gather information before voting.

The citizen survey was delayed from going out. in December. by another set of issues, including wording and inclusion/exclusion of certain items on the survey and some other problems that arose.

It all added up to putting the beginning of cutting past the start of the mowing season. Not a good thing by any measure.

As for the path and other such issues, information can be found on page 7 & 8 of the packet found here.

It has to be understood we cannot build paths any way we want. There are DOT, EPA and other legal requirements that must be met as applicable. They can cause a lot of delays in permitting, review, compliance and sign offs. Stormwater projects are especially complicated areas.

Smooth and fast are goals that, honestly, are hard to achieve in government. Federal, State and courts love bureaucracy and paperwork. I don't.

In example, due to a structural change, I found one title, in a document we vote on to night, that needs rephrased to keep the meaning legally applicable. It also is used in 19 other existing documents. It will take our Lawyer and two Council Meetings to enact a document that will cover those and all other incidences of that issue.

A lot of hurry up and wait.

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I did see them cutting today along the parkway, not real impressed with what I saw but I will hold off on further comment until I see if they clean up what they left. Mr. Haddix you still have my vote but you have to understand that given the current council/mayor's performance we long time residents are still going to hold your feet to the fire. I know that it is a thankless job but you knew that when you got into it. Your doing fine, just keep doing it.

Obama's weapon of Choice!

I expect to be accountable. At 22 years I consider myself a long term resident as well and know exactly what you meain.

Biggest problem on landscaping, right now, is how wet everything is combined with being behind schedule. It does no good to tear up sod and soil running a mower over it all.

Here is a report I received today on the landscaping status:

TruGreen was able to find enough dry ground today to make substantial progress in their first round of mowing. They have been pruning, weeding, spraying, and doing other landscape items since Tuesday. Today they were able to cut into the mowing backlog and made good progress on the state roads and primaries (Peachtree Parkway, Crosstown, Robinson, etc.). The company is moving carefully on this, since there are areas that are still much too wet to accommodate a mower. The ball fields fall into that category, along with several areas of the median on SR54 and SR74.

The red clover is in full bloom on SR74 north and will not be cut until it dies off for the season. People always ask about that, and the answer is always the same.

Mowing will continue on Friday.

The weather forecast is for more rain on Monday.

For clarity, the first round began Friday of last week.

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Who did the mowing at city hall right before Easter?

Tru-Green. That Friday.

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I expected you to go all "quiet" on me. People from the REC department mowed the grass when the "company of choice" "the mowers of choice" (Tru Green) were unavailable. Too bad the city is paying a company to do the job that they are paying other "employees" to do. It is a shame. Wasted GENERAL funds!

So, I am calling you on it now. City workers mowed the grass at city hall. Ask around I am sure that you will find that what I say is the truth.

I believe that Mayor Logston said in a meeting that the RIF was held back until after the first of the year because he did not want to ruin the Christmas' of the employees. It was stated back to him "Thanks, now you have ruined their whole year!

What date would you have thought would have been better for the firings?

Just making a comment to what I heard. Not complaining. If it had been entirely up to me I would have found another way other than to fire so many people. Now the total is up to 27 positions. But, it is not a perfect world, and I don't run it. Oh well.

near Booth Middle School? Best I can tell, it was to keep golf cart tires from getting wet after heavy rains on the path just East of the Parkway and the tunnel. It appears to be a boondoggle, has taken too long, and is still not close to being finished. Do you have access to the total costs to the PTC Citizens for this project?

"..there is an active group planning a "tea party" at city hall this week- at noon on a workday."

So, since this event is planned during a workday, when most taxpayers WILL BE WORKING, those in attendance will most likely be retirees, stay-at-home-moms, the idle rich/country club crowd, or the unemployed.

Great planning, Tea Baggers!

I'm making plans to attend (I'm one of the retirees) and drink all the tea I can. See you there!

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Why in the world do you care so much about the Tea Parties? Have you not been invited? Or, can you not make it? Will the shift manager at your McDonalds not let you off to attend? I'll watch the fry cooker for you if you really want to go....

Here's a little free advice for ya....do what I do when the Million Man March occurs and there are ACORN drives going on. Shrug your shoulders and ignore them. Nobody cares what you think about them. Trust me.

about it. You would think it wouldn't be worthy of a comment.

While you attack the messenger without attacking the message that the Tea Bagging parties are being pushed from the top down mainly by Fox News, you will certainly enjoy your own irony.

As you tell Main " Nobody cares what you think about them. Trust me," it is ironic that you dedicated two uncaring what she thinks posts to her..... made me giggle anyway.

Just how many families making over $250,000 a year; families who will see a 3% tax increase in three years, are going to be available to protest their "taxed enough" status?

95% of ALL Americans are getting a Tax Break.. Yeah Right
"Paychecks are being adjusted now to get more money into the economy faster. You'll claim the credit when you file your return next year, so your tax bill should adjust in line with the stimulus money (and you might get some extra money at tax time if your withholding wasn't adjusted enough to account for the extra credit during the year, which may happen for some married people in single-earner households).

But not everyone qualifies for the credit. It begins to phase out for single filers with adjusted gross incomes of $75,000 or higher, or $150,000 for married couples filing jointly, and it disappears entirely for single filers with AGIs of $95,000 or more, or $190,000 for joint filers."

"Instead of receiving a check from the government, most single taxpayers will see an adjustment to their tax withholding in their paychecks in 2009 and 2010, giving them about $45 extra per month for the rest of this year"

What happened to that $250k DECK and what are you going to do with your $45.00 a MONTH?
Even MSNBC does not Believe Obama keeps promises

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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And where did they pull this from? Not a single American's taxes went up this year, or will go up next year. But keep convincing yourself otherwise if you care to. Fine with me. My guy's driving the bus.

I know these guys are all hard Right wingnutters, but they said it.. and reported as fact.. so I guess it must be true..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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Are you running low on your ADD meds or can you just not follow all the postings on one blog? If you can find someone to lead you through them again, you will see Main is attacking the people who are tired of being over-taxed. Fred responded with a comment about her "source" Krugman and she comes back and calls him a "tool". Like Hutch told you before Diva.....your head is so far up you completely ignore the name calling that originates on your side. When you start calling people names, you are open to responses. Get over it....

Now, the bigger question still is. Why do you libs get your panties so wound up because other people think they pay too much tax? Why does it bother you so much that some people are tired of paying the freight for the freeloaders? If you want to pay more yourself to assuage your guilt, make the check out to The United States Treasury. They'll take it.

name calling brothers and sisters' gripes.

"Like Hutch told you before Diva.....your head is so far up you completely ignore the name calling that originates on your side. When you start calling people names, you are open to responses. Get over it...."

Didn't liberal Douche bag start with you? And various iterations of twisted main streams? You were saying?

You guys ARE getting quite sensitive when it comes to name calling. But I appreciate you pointing out to "fred" that it isn't nice to call someone a pendejo, meaning pubic hair. Oh! Wait a minute! You didn't make a peep, did you?

typical.

Now, the BIGGER question? People think they pay too much tax?

Skyspy says we should be proud tax payers *as immigrants, some restrictions apply.

You imply folks are over taxed. When did the tax rate go up MOC? Were you guys asleep the last 8 years? Who's tax policy was reflected on your return this year?

There is a reason we are looking at you tea party patriots funny.

I called Sniffer a typical liberal douche bag AFTER he had called me a typical conservative wuss. Look it up or get someone to help you if necessary. (I am touched that it made such an impression on you though) That is what that gray thing between your ears just will not absorb. I'm not sensitive to someone calling me names here. That is called r-e-s-p-o-n-d-i-n-g. If you want to have a civil discussion, let's do it. Call me a name or imply that a name you throw out applies to all conservatives, that is what you will get back. A response.

Here is the other thing that you just can't grasp. YOU are the one who is sensitive to the name calling on here. Not me. I could care less if someone calls someone a name on here. It eats you up. The point Hutch never drilled into your head was that you police name callers on here if they are conservative. You don't bother noticing who threw the first grenade. Just like Main did about the Tea Parties. She used the little double entendre about GOP tools. I knew what she meant, but I know how weak her game is and I thought....maybe not. Maybe just the literal meaning. Then she responds to Fred by calling him a tool. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it means she wants to take it to that level. Blogging is a contact sport. If you can't take "fastballs" as you like to say, don't be throwing them around. Besides, it is always so heartwarming for you and Sniffer to defend her honor.

Bottom line....I'm not policing anyone on here conservative or liberal for name calling. But, I am ready and willing to respond.

Oh yeah, I don't know where you have been. I have thought I pay too much tax since Jeff's daddy was roaming the White House halls. I don't care whose policy it is or ever was.

p.s. One quick antidote to my "hollow comments".....don't read 'em!!!

"Like Hutch told you before Diva.....your head is so far up you completely ignore the name calling that originates on your side."

Surprise surprise mean old conservative . This here is partisan political cross talk. But, if you are going to reference the thoughts of Hutch, why don't you ANSWER the QUESTIONS that you conservative dudes have not dared touch. I'm begging here! Practically groveling!

"...And, it's amazing that you never answered the question on who has actually:

4) Who on these boards have published names and addresses; threatened actual physical harm to others? "

If you, whom I respect, Hutch, whom I adore, and Lindsey, whom I like a whole lot want to suggest the level of venom and anger here at The Citizen online is equal between our two parties, the answers to the above questions will need to be reconciled.

Cheers.

I don't know who numbers 1 through 4 are. I do know they have mental problems to do such things.

Tug

BPR is the exception, my friend. This crazy cat would applaud GWBs job as president. Frankly, after his mis-steps, any reasonable person would've objected. BTW, I would love for muddle to "Slip up" and release her name. I'd imagine her employer would be interested in her "extremist" opinion.

Considering this person encompasses at least two of your points, I would object to them being applied to all of us "Rs".

I've always enjoyed your blogs. I've given you credit from your "previous life", but, now you seem to be bitter. You should realize that all of the reasonable folks on this site want the country to do well, regardless of who is in power. Frankly, there's a big difference between hoping one's agenda doesn't succeed versus the country not being successful.

Anywho, considering the flames that have come from your "side", I wouldn't cast any stones right now. I'll leave you with a line from my mom - "If you don't like them, kill them with kindness." If we want civil debate, all sides need to calm down. For example, I disagree with 99% of what "David's Mom" has to say, BUT, with her approach, it's awful tough to attack the messenger.

Might check my quick post to Cyclist for more info.
Try:

BPR

Denise Conners

Other_side_trax

Beaver.

And that is an incomplete list.

I is who I is. I just think it's funny that people worked up over my "partisan" nature don't notice very partisan behavior from those on their side of the political fence. It truly makes it hard to view such criticism seriously. So, I don't think I will be lowering my sling shot any time soon. If anything, I'll go get thicker, stronger surgical tubing .

How's "killing them with kindness" working for David's Mom?

"were you just spewing the last thing you heard at the local NAACP meeting last week?"
from the cowardly spineless lying jellyfish "fred" garvin

You're fine the way you are! You have every right to have a thick skin on this blog so please continue to just be yourself. The same goes for everyone else who blogs with a hardcore demeanor, including Git, who just slammed DM in a post. I don't agree with what he said, but he has every right to speak his mind, just like you and the rest of us do. So, all I can say is... if there are those on here who are so easily offended by a particular blogger's strong words and ideas, then don't read their posts. The cry babies need to stop whining and quit addressing people on the blog if they don't like their politics and can't stand to get answered with a slap-down. Grow up.

Those who don't understand why someone can suddenly grow a thicker skin on this blogging website, obviously haven't had their jobs or families threatened, like Diva, Git and muddle have had.

You are a tuff kitty cat. Your dude is lucky. Probably saves tons on kleenex with the lack of whining and crying at your house. Have a good weekend!

demeanor, me?
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Meh, clearly you're taking this blogging thing way too seriously. If you want to be a hypocrite - fine by me.

There is no better way to convince someone that civility needs to return than by calling them names. I will give your comments the consideration they deserve.

You're no better than your buddy Fred...

Because the ladies tell me I'm MUCH, MUCH Better!

Be careful Rock, because, for someone who doesn't take these blogs too seriously, you're teetering on the edge of seeming... how can we say...... bitter.

Now Listen, I just hate to see one of the better bloggers on this site stoop to name calling. I just found it to be hypocritical that you don't call your side out for engaging in the same behavior. Now, it's time to read Fred's daily dose of townhall spamming.

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I have no less compassion for your family or the memory of a truly great man.

Compassion and defending one's opinions (and at times employment) are not mutually exclusive. You can love your fellow conservatives and enthusiastically defend your opinions at the same time.

I've said before that I would take a bullet for any of the men and women I've worked with the last many, many years. Yet, to see me and some of them talk politics, you'd think we were about to come to blows. But we don't.

I've got to say this, with all due respect. How could someone read things like this:

"Portrait of a Traitor
Obama slams America on foreign soil"

and this:

"Jimmy Carter's Handy-work. Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble"

and this:

"Obama the Tyrant"

and this:

"The Fascist Speaks"

and this:

"Useful Idiots Caucus" (referring to blacks in Congress)

just NOW think the boards are getting nasty? I think they've been this way for months and months and months now.

I want my friend Hutch back on here!! All the good bloggers are leaving. Where is Miss Jane?

I miss our friend Hack too. It's not the same here anymore.

It's a shame, just a shame.

Tug

I'm still here, been very busy at work. I continue to read blogs, but have no comments for some of the topics and name calling. We'll have to continue to check on ole Hutch and others while they are off the air! I imagine the conversations and mood of the blogs will come back around, seems like it goes in cycles. There will be a run of good, happy, funny stories for a while; then someone gets their knickers in a knot and the fussing begins. Ah, ole Git will come up with some middle of the night rainstorm story (remember!?! silk . . .LOL!) and turn us all around.

I read some of the comments too, but not many. Hope the fighting and name calling does stop! Like you said we can't solve the worlds problems on these blogs.
I remember Git's kevlar undies story. LOL My favorite Git story is "Meeting Muddle at the City Cafe." I laugh everytime I think about it.
I hope our Hutch will come back on here with some of his one liners. We need humor in our lives.
Hope you have a great day!
BTW today would have been me & my husband's anniversary.

Tug

Thinking of you.
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