Fayette wasting money on West F’ville Bypass

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When considering the Fayetteville Bypass, there is one easy concept that, hopefully, even our current crop of Fayette County Commissioners can understand.

That concept is to divert traffic around the east and west sides of Fayetteville to ease congestion, a fairly straight-forward idea.

While some of the specific details related to that road are complicated, my message at the last County Commission meeting was simple. The planning up to now has not taken alternative analysis into consideration and before going any further, the county should slow down and look again.

The basic layout of the proposed re-routing plan will involve obtaining one or more permits from federal agencies, and those federal agencies have certain expectations about the data necessary to issue those permits.

Based on what is in the county files, and of greater importance what I did not find in those files, Fayette County will find it very difficult to obtain any stream crossing or wetland filling permit.

Currently, there simply is not enough analysis there to support taking the routes that have been laid out.

The first hurdle they face is to provide a clear demonstration of the need for the road. With the proposal to spend this much money, one would have thought this was clear. It is not.

There will be questions raised regarding the logic of making new connections between state highways when traffic patterns do not support such connections.

If that need can been proven, the next issue will be selecting the least damaging alternative.

To issue a permit, the federal agencies will be expecting to see an alternative analysis that shows the desired route is the only way to make the connections.

For example, Phase II of the West Fayetteville Bypass has at least one less damaging alternative through improvements to Gingercake Road.

There may be other alternatives, and if that is the case, this will influence those agencies to deny requests to destroy Whitewater Creek wetlands.

If, as I think unlikely, the federal agencies can be convinced that the wetland route is the only option, then alignment issues will come into focus.

And consider this: a new road that includes significant costs to the taxpayer for six miles of new road.

Now consider the relatively small amount necessary to make improvements on a much shorter road already in use.

Add to this the legal actions to obtain the road right-of-way via condemnation, and the massive costs for mitigation for wetland losses and the planned route will make this phase many times more expensive.

What I suggested to the County Commission was that I expect the permits will be denied, so it was in the county’s best interest to slow down and take another look at what was being proposed.

Prior to the meeting, I had informed some of the property owners of my intentions to address this issue with the County Commission, so several joined me in expressing their individual concerns.

But for some reason, there was an expression of anger toward us. One might think that learning of a potential or probable stoppage of the project is something they would appreciate hearing before it became a reality.

In my career, I dealt with many hundreds of wetland permit issues, and I believe that Fayette County is going to learn, once again, that a Section 404 permit under the Clean Water Act is not going to happen just because they want it to happen.

But since it appears they are charging ahead anyway, a great deal of our tax money will be expended on this worthless project.

So, right here, I want to make sure the record is clear: the County Commissioners have been informed. And when they continue down this road, they will be totally responsible for what happens next and shoulder ALL of the blame for lost time and lost money, and, in the end, it will start all over again.

But it doesn’t end on this sour note. A big effort has just begun, on behalf of this same group of County Commissioners, to have the citizens of this county vote to give them more money through an extension of the Transportation SPLOST in 2009. It is chilling to know that not only are they charging ahead to spend current SPLOST dollars on the wrong route(s), but they expect us to go to the voting booth and support their efforts to do more of the same.

I don’t know the exact totals they are spending through this first SPLOST — perhaps around $100 million — and here they come wanting to add another $100 million to that total.

It is difficult to see an end to all of this. Perhaps we really do need improvements in the Fayette County transportation system, but from what we are seeing, from the methods used to do the planning, it is hard to tell for sure.

I find it very difficult to understand what they are doing currently, or why.

I am currently participating in the citizen committee looking at the new comprehensive transportation plan, but with a high level of suspicion.

I have heard from others that I am not the only one that suspects there is something amiss with our current situation.

For your information, there are more committee meetings planned and several public hearings will be scheduled. So if you have concerns about what they are doing with our money and with the planning in Fayette County, please attend and maybe we will all find out.

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Submitted by Okie on Tue, 12/02/2008 - 9:31pm.

Thank you Mr. Chase for speaking at the meeting tonight of Concerned Citizens who are against the West Fayetteville Bypass...well, the whole bypass. Hopefully, as the word gets out, we can gain strength in numbers. There was a good turnout tonight, and a lot of useful information exchanged. Hopefully everyone will attend the meeting about future plans for Fayette County on Dec. 9 at the Senior Center in Fayetteville.

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 1:57pm.

Do you know the time on this? Exactly where is Senior Center (no cracks from the peanut gallery, I do not visit there - yet)


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 7:23am.

I went to last night's meeting and didn't see anyone that resembled your avatar.

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 1:34pm.

I was there last night. Poor Phil. Almost a mob for a moment there! The presenters (Mallett Consulting?) were all very patient.

It was interesting that most of the people wanted to talk about the bypass(es) and were told that was not at all the reason for the meeting. The concept of putting a plan in place to control future development - not stop it, but have the foresight to keep traffic flowing as the county expands - was certainly worthy. I will definitely be at those workshops in February to see what they have in mind.

I did learn that the bypass(es) can be canned if the Commissioners say to. The people certainly said they didn't want them!

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 4:42pm.

I only stayed for the first hour.

Much discussion (at least the first hour) was based on road planning particularly strangulated subdivisions with only one access (road). It makes sense; however, I'm curious just how palatable a zoning law will be forcing property owners/developers to comply. They will not be happy as this tends to shrink the available land/lots. I wonder if property owners/developers have enough clout to prevent mandated multiple access?

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 6:35am.

wrong in seeing these road plans this way - but all this while State, County, City, et al are cutting back on spending . . . I honestly do not understand building new roads, bridges, etc. when there are roads that could simply be widened, I would assume at a much lower cost. I do understand growth and progress, but re-roading the entire county seems a bit extreme. I guess this is why ole Git keeps me in this broom closet and not on the management team, I just don't understand. . .


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 6:41am.

the county is paying in order to conduct this transportation study?
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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 7:06am.

I do not understand economics, again, the reason I'm in the broom closet.

For example, the news story last night about the (was it) millions of dollars in uncollected water bills in Atlanta. Now help me understand, why does it make more sense to lay off people, when you could collect millions, keep those workers and everybody wins?

Well I did fail accounting and bookkeeping, so guess I do not have that dollar business sense.


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 8:29am.

Aw, I got caught up here at work, you know that end of the year stuff, and didn't get out of here until 5:30, and you know what the drive was like at that point. So, no I was unable to get there.

What did you learn? My special interest is the East By-pass, and my backyard. When is another meeting? Or is there any way to voice concerns? Do you think there is any chance "they" are willing to give on any of these proposed plans?

BTW, I do look exactly like that avatar!


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Submitted by zoes on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 2:46pm.

My calendar says 6pm for this. Also - I am certain that the Senior Center is now in front of the Fayette Court building thing on Jimmie Mayfield. They built a big fancy new one to replace the little trailer thing they were using behind Melears.......

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 2:31pm.

I've heard it's behind Melears BBQ, maybe. Just wear that outfit in your avatar and they'll find you.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 2:33pm.

now I remember. Thanks!


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 2:01pm.

Just concern. Remember you were there last night? For the hair dying seminar? Your short term memory seems to be fading.... Are you okay Jane? Puzzled


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 12/09/2008 - 2:28pm.

Co-cola all over my monitor, please don't make me pay for this.


Submitted by Okie on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 12:13pm.

You know, I was looking at the map they sent out in August showing proposed right of way and approximate parcel limits. They leave a gap between the property lines for Tillman Road. Well, I was reading our Warranty Deed for our property and it sounds to me like we own to the centerline of the road. Our deed is from 1992 and all the measurements are to the centerline of the unimproved road (Tillman). We haven't signed anything away and this description in our deed came from Plat Book 5, Page 41. It contained a survey dated May 8, 1969. I'm curious to know if all the people on Tillman own to the centerline of the road???

Submitted by boo boo on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 6:51am.

Mr. Chase thank you for looking out for our Streams, Creeks, and Watersheds, the County Commissioner's sure don't seem to care about them. From the beginning this was the Counties goal to build a bypass around Fayetteville with that Splost. I don't think enough research was done and it is not needed, especially now with the economy the way it is. It will be a very destructive road, destroying too much of our creeks, watersheds, pasture lands, and natural areas in general.

I've never had problems going through Fayetteville. There are plenty of shortcuts for those in the know to get to where they need to go without going on state route 85. Why should our Splost money be used to make driving through Fayetteville easier for other counties to drive through. This road is not needed now or the near future and if this Splost comes up for another Vote, I will, vote like I did the first time and that is with a big NO NO NO NO VOTE!

Now that the Fayette County taxpayers have become more aware of what the Splost will be used for, the County will have a much harder road to travel to get another YES vote on this boondoggle.

Use that ROAD Splost Money to fix the roads that are already down and being used. Isn't that why most people voted for it in the first place?

On our Fayette County Commissioners, just what we need another Group of Good Ole Boys thinking they know more than the public. Just remember you work for us not the other way around. In other words we furnish the butter for your bread. If y'all can't work with the Fayette County Citizens then you need to step down, you are in the wrong position.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 7:10am.

I sure wish we had a bypass here.

A circle around PTC so all could be avoided by the drivers, and we wouldn't have to see the ugliness either.
Those people don't shop, and if they did they could get here!
Just give em a waffle place, a Ryans, and a hamburger joint on the bypass, they will be happy! And a Pizza of some kind.

Submitted by Arf on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 9:48am.

Excellent idea, Bonkers and I think we could include all of Fayette County. The by pass that is now being proposed may have once been a good idea, but the dynamics of this area have changed dramatically in the past 5 years and it seems like a by pass needs another look, and one that encompasses all of Fayette County and not just Fayetteville. When I drive to and fro on Highway 54 from PTC to Fayetteville and back, it always amazes me that most of the tags I see are from Clayton and Coweta counties. I can’t figure out why, but it seems like suddenly a lot of people come and go between these two counties and they are using Fayette mainly for a pass thru. If we could make it easier for these people by creating a perimeter around Fayette County, we would also alleviate the horrible traffic congestion that we now have.

We could use parts of existing roads (mainly Hwy 92) and reroute it some to accomplish the by pass. It looks like Hwy 92 could be rerouted in some places and extended in others to go from Hwy 138 on the West Side to Hwy 74 near Tyrone and down Palmetto Collinsworth to tie in to Hwy 154 in Coweta County. On the East, McDonough Road could be tied into a rerouted Hwy 92 that goes near Inman and ends at Highway 16, which goes to Newnan and also ties into Hwy 154 coming the other way through Sharspburg. This would build a traffic route around Fayette County so that only those who want or need to come to the county would do so, and we would no longer be a pass thru. This would also help the people coming from Fulton County in the Fairburn area trying to get to either Coweta County or Clayton County. Much like Interstate 285, this perimeter would need to be fast and easy, with some gas stations, a few restaurants and jumping off points to new shopping areas that take the congestion away from the centers of towns.

Submitted by Eliza on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 12:43pm.

I'd like to thank Mr. Chase as well for his blog and his study and comments on the Bypass. I have wondered about the Whitewater Creek wetlands issue, and the damage this road will do.

You'd think the commissioners would have been willing to comment on that and explain why they believe the distruction of wetlands won't be a problem.

I believe the road is being planned to open up more land for development - regardless of the need, or the damage to our lifestyle and the environment.

Submitted by Okie on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 9:42am.

Mr. Chase, Thank you for your article and your concern about this project. We will be at the Dec. 2 meeting.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 10:07am.

Not because Dennis Chase says so, but simply because it is a waste of money.

First of all, bypass what? Fayetteville? Why? Has it ever taken you more than 15 minutes to get through Fayetteville?

If you are going to Clayton County for some reason, this proposed bypass might be useful, but no one really goes to Clayton. If you escaping from Clayton, just come down State 85 to Hood Ave to Gingercake to 54 - simple.

If you are going to I-75 - just go through Griffin on 16. That's what it is there for.

No we don't need to spend another $100 million - let's just roll back some taxes like property taxes if the commissioners feel they have to do something to keep busy.


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Submitted by dawn69 on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 12:29pm.

It is not only a waste of money, but will take 1/3 of my front yard.


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Submitted by mudcat on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 6:44pm.

I guess after they shave off 1/3 of your front yard you will be known as dawn46?

Seriously, why would they take your front yard?


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Submitted by dawn69 on Sun, 11/30/2008 - 1:48am.

Dawn46 might be a better user name. I used 69 in my user I.D. because, at the time, I was using the year of my birth. However, now when I tell people that I blog here and tell them my user name - they give that devilish laugh when I say '69. Wish I could change that now. So, please, feel free to just call me Dawn or Shannon.

Apparently the expansion of the road for the bypass will occur on our side of the road, rather than splitting it between both sides. The plan calls for adding two more lanes and a median. We first found out about the plan to widen a week after we moved in, something our agent must have forgotten to reveal. But, in 2000, ten years seemed a long way off and we didn't expect to still be living here. Now, I think we'll never unload our elephant.


Submitted by Okie on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 2:34pm.

Dawn, I feel your pain! We haven't quite figured out how much of our front yard they'll be taking. It depends on exactly where they stick the road. Currently the road in front of our house is 17 feet wide and they want 120 feet for the road and right of way..some for future expansion if they choose to do so. Someone at the meeting assured us that it would never be a 4 lane. If it's not going to be a four lane, then why the need for the extra land?? And then there's that rumor that they want to extend the SPLOST for roads. Well, I'll vote NO on that one again!

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