Who is more likely to manage well the U.S.'s economic problems:

Tue, 10/07/2008 - 4:28pm
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Submitted by Yo on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 6:35pm.

Barack Obama Socialism = Protecting the poor and middle class

John McCain = Protecting and bailing out the extremely wealthy, the ONLY SOCIALIST class of people in America. Only the extreme wealthy of the country are protected. We reward wall street for the same reasons we evict the middle class from thier homes. We offer health care in IRAQ but not our own country. The hypocracy of our nation will be our downfall, but due to our poor education system, we will never know any better... how sad...

Both parties are a train wreck, but the dems are at least still on track...

The history of American recessions has one major link... a Republican president... when will we ever learn...

We need a third party and we need it bad....

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 8:53pm.

Booms and busts in the "business cycle" are mathematically created by the FEDERAL RESERVE, not the administration. Of course deficit spending doesn't help the matter, it only helps smokescreen what the FED is doing. The FED is a "central bank" that controls the currency of our nation. It has two inherent powers: control of interest rates, and control of the money supply, otherwise known as INFLATION. By increasing and decreasing the rates, and the money supply the FED regulates its value: the more they print the less it is worth, prices go up. All they need do is stop printing money, then smaller banks, and Wall Street fail. Then they blame it on someone else like the government.

That's like blaming wet streets for causing rain. Then they have an excuse to sheer the sheep, and by sheep I mean you, and I, and our progeny.

One more thing: we DO have a third, fourth, fifth, and sixth party, but the status quo Republicrats are supported by the same people who own the FED, the banks, Wall Street, and the main stream media. They get no air play, and can't get into the debates, because the debate commission is controlled by, you guessed it, the Republicrats. Other parties do not stand a chance agaist this moneyed elite.

Don't vote for Jarack McBama!!! They are Council on Foreign Relations SCUM!!!

Vote Nader, Baldwin, or Ron Paul!!!

In Liberty,


Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:33pm.

There is a clear choice between the two presidential candidates. On some issues, the candidates are offering the same solutions and have expressed the same concerns. On other issues - there is definitely a difference in their approach to solving problems. One side has been issuing attacks based on 'fear' and 'misstated' representation of the character/politics of the candidate. As this type of campaigning has escalated - the difference in the polls is widening in favor of the 'other' candidate. Interesting. Even in the state of Georgia - a 'red' state, as of today, Obama is one point ahead of McCain. Why the continued politics of 'fear' when it isn't working?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:50pm.

It's great to have a stark contrast in styles this presidential campaign: the erratic "fear and smear" buffoonery of the Republican party vs. the Democrats and their determination to clean up the mess of 8 years of Republican misleadership.

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Submitted by jonnycat on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:06pm.

A clear choice? I don't think so. My parents use to tell me that everytime I pointed my finger at someone, there were three others pointed right back at me. My point is this. That there is/was PLENTY of blame to go around. It seems that both sides have forgotten that fact. Always blaming the other side for cheating/stealing/lying or whatever. I for one, will be glad when next week is over. The rhetoric is actually getting boring. Same old, same old, day in and day out.

Submitted by justwondering on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:36pm.

anyone seen the tape of O talking about Hillary Clinton and sureptiously putting his middle finger up? Do not answer this saying Hillary deserves it. No one deserves that humiliation.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:40pm.

There has been no mischaracterization of barack. He's a socialist that befriends domestic terrorists and racist "pastors".

Those are not issues if you don't consider a person's character and judgement as part of the issue. There are plenty of patriotic Americans that disagree with you

Submitted by Yo on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 6:38pm.

the Jackson 5 had Tito

the Keating 5 had McCain

Submitted by ndh133 on Sun, 11/02/2008 - 1:31pm.

I lived in AZ during this time. I worked for Charlie Keating. He is an evil man in many ways. McCain might have had associations with him but they certainly aren't Wright or Ayers.. Everytime dirt is dug up on Obama, he has no "recollection"... I don't someone who is in FIRST stage dimentia running our country.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:52pm.

You didn't answer the question. Why continue to use a strategy that is not helping your candidate?

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:58pm.

Every other strategy and real issue works against them even more.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:02pm.

Smiling I guess he just couldn't bring himself to 'type' that answer.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:39pm.

It's very easy for a person like barack to get up in front of people as spew a bunch of lies (like the one about cutting taxes on middle class - we will never see it).

When your running on your record as a community organizer and were cataputed into the senate through the corrupt Chicago political machine, you have to look at obama's shady character.

The liberal media won't do it since they are in the tank for barack.

If it's not working, then you shouldn't concern yourself with the man behind the curtain. Just continue going to the altar of barack for your daily prayers. Don't worry - he'll win.

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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:42pm.

As if we didn't already know this. LOL! What kind of President will this guy be???? He don't remember anything. Everyone has been talking about this ever since when????? Come on Obama what is it with you?

Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.
By Bill Sammon


Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.

But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem.

"In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of …Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature."

Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how "carefully" he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: "I am a Marxist."

Also present at that meeting was Ayers' wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and "Marxism-Leninism."

Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas.

Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to "spread the wealth around."

Obama's running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: "He is not spreading the wealth around." The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?"

"Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?" an incredulous Biden shot back. "It's a ridiculous comparison."

But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."

Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope," that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left.

"The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact," Obama wrote in "Audacity." "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal."

National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama's traveling press secretary.

Bill Sammon is the Washington deputy managing editor for FOX News Channel.

There you have it from Obama himself.

Submitted by ndh133 on Sun, 11/02/2008 - 1:33pm.

Joe Biden is in FIRST stage dimentia also..
He said that Roosevelt was around during the depression and people had their TV's on... CLUELESS

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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:03pm.

This is not for the people who don't like to read. LOL! Some are on here all day reading and writing. Strange thing is someone else could have posted something about McCain and they would read it and tear it apart.

I enjoy reading so here you go:

What can Obama say to all of these articles. I know what he will say,
A A A. With some off the wall answer that does not have a thing to do with what the question was about. Do you know why he says A A A, it's because he is searching for an answer and even then he does not get it right or make any sense at all. Yeah, this would be a good President????????
By Maxim Lott


Monday, October 27, 2008

Obama's Education Groups Funded Controversial Organizations in the '90s, Tax Returns Show
Barack Obama's boards gave tens of thousands to ACORN and more than $1 million to racially charged organizations, a study of tax returns shows.

The Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund of Chicago funded numerous controversial groups while Barack Obama served on their boards between 1995 and 2002, an analysis of their tax returns shows.

In 2001, when Obama was a part-time director of The Woods Fund of Chicago, it gave $75,000 to ACORN, the voter registration group now under investigation for voter fraud in 12 states.

The Woods Fund also gave $6,000 to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama attended. The reason for the donation to the church is unclear -- it is simply listed as "for special purposes" in the group's IRS tax form.

It gave a further $60,000 to the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, which was founded and run by Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of domestic terrorist William Ayers and, with her husband, a former member of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground.

Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small Schools Network -- which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and the former chairman of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), an offshoot of the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society -- and $40,000 to the Arab American Action Network, which critics have accused of being anti-Semitic.

The Woods Fund did not respond to questions about the funding.

When Obama co-chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which calls itself "a public-private partnership improving education for 1.5 million urban and rural public school students," it gave to some of the same groups -- partnering with ACORN to manage funding for schools and giving over $1 million to the Small Schools Network.

It also gave nearly $1 million to a group called the South Shore African Village Collaborative, whose goals, according to Annenberg's archived Web site, are "to develop more collegial relationships between teachers and principals. Professional development topics include school leadership, team building, parent and community involvement, developing thematic units, instructional strategies, strategic planning, and distance learning and teleconferencing."

But the group mentions other goals in its grant application to the Annenberg Challenge:

"Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us," one page of the application reads.

Click here to see the application.

Stanley Kurtz, a Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, found the collaborative's original application when going through Annenberg's archives.

Asked to comment, Yvonne Williams-Kinnison, executive director of the collaborative's parent group, the Coalition for Improved Education in South Shore said, "I don't want to put more fuel on the fire. You can call us back after the election.... I don't want to compromise the position."

Late Afrocentrist scholars Jacob Carruthers and Asa Hilliard were both invited to give SSAVC teachers a training session, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge noted in a report, adding that the "consciousness raising session ... received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey session."

But Carruthers has been a controversial figure because of inflammatory statements he made in writing.

"The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy," Carruthers wrote in his 1999 book, "Intellectual Warfare." "Some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture."

In the book, he compared the process of blacks assimilating into American culture with rape.

"We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist," Carruthers said.

Hilliard has come under fire for advocating what many consider an extreme Afrocentric curriculum.

He selected the articles for the "African-American Baseline Essays" published in 1987 and first used in the Portland, Ore., school district. The essays have been criticized for claiming, among other things, that ancient Egyptians were the first to discover manned flight and the theory of evolution.

An Obama spokesman called investigation of these ties "pathetic."

"This is another pathetic attempt by FOX News to distract voters from the economic challenges facing this nation by patching together tenuous links to smear Barack Obama," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told FOXNews.com.

"The Annenberg Challenge was a bipartisan organization dedicated to improving the performance of students and teachers in Chicago Public Schools that was funded by a Republican philanthropist who was friends with President Reagan and launched by Republican Gov. Jim Edgar."

But Kurtz says those founders of the Annenberg Challenge would not have known the details about to whom their Chicago office -- one of 18 around the country -- was giving money.

"If you read Ayers' proposal to Annenberg, it doesn't sound radical. But if you actually read Ayers' education writings, they are very radical indeed," Kurtz said. "Ayers, like so many other savvy professors, knows enough not to state his actual views frankly when applying for money. But you can find the truth in his writings."

The controversial donations make up only a small portion of the overall amount doled out by the Annenberg and Woods funds. The Woods Fund gave over $3.5 million to 115 different groups in 2001, and the Annenberg Chellenge dispensed nearly $11 million to 63 groups at its height in 1999.

Most of the groups are mainstream and well respected, ranging from the Jazz Institute of Chicago to the Successful Schools Project.

But Kurtz says that this should not obscure what he describes as controversial donations.

"If John McCain had given to white supremacist groups and people said, 'Hey, the majority of funding didn't go to supremacist groups' -- that wouldn't even cut the ice," Kurtz said.

"I feel certain [Obama] knew about these radical groups," Kurtz said. "We know that he read the applications because he made statements about the quality of proposals."

Link did not work for application so here it is:
Click for application

Sorry guys, Obama was not 8 years old all of his life.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:18pm.

Woods Fund

So many here state they're against 'give aways' but not against affording opportunities to the less fortunate. Right?

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:09pm.

You'd think that Annenberg, Reagan's Ambassador to the United Kingdom and a member of Reagan's kitchen cabinet would quit funding these people wouldn't you?

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:45pm.

Hmmmmm. Here in Georgia - the split among patriotic Americans is (as of today) 50/50. Everyone who is voting is patriotic - right?

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:51pm.

Voting in itself is not a patriotic act... it can be done and has been done as an act of defiance to our country and to destroy it as well.

Being Patriotic is based upon the condition of the heart and the willingness to serve this nation. Serving comes in all shapes, sizes and forms, and in this case, voting for what is right, not what is wrong.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:54pm.

Of course. Those who agree with you are patriotic. Those who don't are not. The logic of the 'best minds'.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:03pm.

Are you of the belief that all voters go to the polls with an understanding of whom they vote for is in the best interest of the nation... or could there also be voters that vote for just what is best for them?

A Patriot will put themselves last, and I'm a Patriot. Maybe now you get it.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:13pm.

By your definition - and mine - I am a patriot. . .and so are you, even though we don't agree on the current presidential candidates. Get it? Smiling

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:23pm.

I do concur that there are those that are just simply wrong, though they believe that their vote is what is best for their nation.

That is why it's SOOOO important when it comes to voting, that you have To Know, not just To Show.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by LHerod on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 8:38am.

We need McCain in office. He has more to offer for our security of the nation. In my opinion I don't believe Obama can do this for the nation and he will not even talk about his plans to help in the economy or the security of OUR NATION. Our troops need someone that will help them here and in the war. DON'T SLAM THE DOOR AMERICA the ELECTION IS NOT OVER UNTIL NOV.4 at midnight or until the last vote is counted. WAKE UP AMERICA, GO VOTE FOR McCAIN. We need a leader that will not forget GOD, COUNTRY and FAMILIES first.

Submitted by Yo on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 7:00pm.

All you have to do is pull up "YOUTUBE" and watch Fox news BASH McCain this time last year. Come on. This is sad. Security of our nation!!!??? Again, are you kidding? The borders are WIDE OPEN in his home state of Arizona... he has the equivelent to the mob watching the border.

He supported a war in Iraq over what??? How many Iraqis were on the 9/11 planes??? Over his logic, shouldn't we be attacking Egypt, Saudi Arabia and friends SINCE THEIR people filled those planes??? Where are the WMD pictures??? Even KENNEDY had pictures of weapons FORTY FIVE YEARS AGO.... WAKE UP AMERICA!!



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Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:44am.

Yeah we need them like we need the 8 years of W we are finishing.

Notice the attacks in Pakistan andd Syria yesterday 2 sovereign nations, think the plan is for a big national security issue to save McCain in the last week ?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:38am.


That's code for Creationism in our schools, more wars, back-alley abortions and keep the gays in the closet.

Yes, let's turn the clock back to the 13th Century, y'aaaalllll.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:42pm.

... I recommend that you stop posting, because you are not a very good mouth piece for the causes you support. Your thoughts are about as deep as the rivers in southern Ethiopia, and trust me, they are not very deep.

However, if you want to keep making yourself look bad... feel free... I'm all in favor!

P.S. Great Log-in ID, WOW, you are so creative.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:49pm.

aren't you the same darryl that tried to woo southern belle on here with your creepy "meet me for dinner" posts?

She's married so maybe you'd better sniff around on the I-drive-a-beater.com or rednecks-r-us.com websites...maybe you'll get lucky Laughing out loud

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 1:06pm.

... it wouldn't been the first married woman that paid me a visit.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 1:14pm.

Oh, I see... you're THAT type of Christian...the type that says "do as I say, not as I do"...in other words, an adulterous Christian, kinda like John McCain.

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:20pm.

And kinda like Slick Willie??? He was adulterous allright, but I'm not sure about the Christian part. His name comes to mind as well....

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:26pm.

Refresh my memory, MeanOldConservative....where in the Bible does it say "two wrongs make a right"?

Thanks in Advance,

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:31pm.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. What does that have to do with it anyway???

Why don't you refresh my memory and tell me where I said either or both were right????? Well????? I listed a second wrong. Both were wrong. Again, tell me where I said it made anything right.

It is amazing how you can read something else into a simple statement and then ask someone to justify the way YOU took it...

Waiting in Advance for you to show me the word "right" in my post,

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:06pm.

... because you display your ignorance each time you express something.

I'm the type of Christian that has a past, just like everyone else on this planet. Some have better pasts than others, mine just so happens to fall into that others category. During those days I sinned, but I didn't care... I did not claim to be a Christian. Now that I have excepted Christ as my Lord and Savior and since I have a building relationship with Him, I still sin, though I spiritually repent and I consciously work on my sin so that it's not just a logical decision to not sin, but a desire in my heart to not sin.

THAT is the type of Christian I am... what about you?

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:19pm.

Gotta love those folks who don't know the difference between "excepting Christ" and "accepting Christ"...

...oh wait...

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:36pm.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 2:07pm.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:42pm.

I would definately have been burned at the stake for my 'Witchcraft and Wicca' post last week. Thank the goddess for freedom of religion! LOL !

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:51pm.

"I would definately have been burned at the stake for my 'Witchcraft and Wicca' post last week."

me too... and I'll bet there are some on here who would have gladly lit the first match!

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:21pm.

I'll bet there are some on here who would have gladly lit the first match!

Let me!! Let me!!!

Submitted by justwondering on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:06am.

When Obama was at Columbia in the early 1980's Ayers lived 2 blocks away.Do you think they ever passed each other at the local grocery ?

Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:46am.

I've lived in the same neighborhood of Peachtree City for 15 years and know maybe 8- of my neighbors to speak to.. One would guess from your question you have no idea that Columbia is in New York City.

Submitted by hsh87 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 10:29am.

Well, I'm not crazy about either one but I have fewer issues with McCain than Obama - sorry but President Barack Obama doesn't exactly sound like and American president - he is looking to turn American into a Socialist nation - everyone needs to wake up and do your research - the man is corrupt and supported by the corrupt. I am not black, I am a child of God and it should not be a race about color(which by the way, he is the color but he is not black)it should be a race about what is best for America - he was nominated the most liberal Senator in America - THE MOST - read up on what he views as ok and what he hopes to change and he thinks - is that really what we want? - Remember Israel wanted a king, and God gave them their hearts desire - look what it got them. This country was founded and has been protected by God, don't make him turn his back and give us what we so deserve.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:55am.

"Barack Obama doesn't exactly sound like and American president - he is looking to turn American into a Socialist nation"

Quit sounding like a hayseed and go read a book! And not JUST the Bible and those Sean Hannity books hershey/bpr reads - I mean a REAL book.

Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 11:48am.

and had been protected by him, when he has not been busy helping college football players achieve touchdowns on Saturday.

Does your god take sides in BYU/TCU or BYU/Notre Dame games ?

Barak Obama is a Christian and Private man sorry if that ruins your day.

Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 12:45pm.

I'm not fighting what you want to think, but I would like to be clear what that is. Could you further explain the following?

Obama is looking to turn the nation into socialism!
Didn't the current administration just do that?

President Barack Obama doesn't sound like....corrupt, supported by corrupt!
I'm not sure if you mean he sounds like a foreigner or is named like one! Please define corrupt for me?

Nominated the most liberal Senator in America! By whom? I thought he hadn't been there long enough to prove that!

Israel wanting a king several thousand years ago seems not unusual as that was all the kind of rulers anyone had! Are you saying Obama wants to be King? A few nuts said he was a Messiah!
Some feel that way about Rush Limbaugh!

As to the USA being founded by God--he sure did, along with the rest of the world, but our founding Fathers were mostly Deists, not Christians!
Maybe that is what you meant?

By the way I will vote for McCain on the fourth, not due to any reason except that I think he can get more done, that we need desperately, than could Obama. His Health and work plans may work through congress better.

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Submitted by fayette77 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 10:12am.

"History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion...and the Excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern." - Benjamin Franklin

"Let statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by education of their little boys and girls, leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." - Samuel Adams

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion; are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. " - Charles Carroll

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed.... No truth is more evident to my mind than that of the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people. The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government...and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence." - Noah Webster

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:06pm.

Webster created the dictionary, but sure wasn't part of the formation of the country. He was a teenager at the time and had nothing to do with the Constitution. It's probably a very good thing too since what Webster believed is pretty similar to the same theocracy the revolutionaries fought strongly against in the first place.

Does anyone here think that Founding Fathers' Jefferson or John Adams were "Christians?" I don't know of any of them more hostile to Christianity than Thomas Jefferson was. Definitely a deist yes, but he thought orthodox Christianity was terrible. He's also said most of the New Testament was the "fabric of very inferior minds." Like most deists, he didn't accept the concept of Jesus Christ being the divine son of God.

Jefferson probably said it best when he stated "Christianity neither is, nor ever was part of common law."

Then you have Adams who famously wrote "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." I don't think he could make it any clearer.

I can see the argument that some of the laws were based on moral codes that date back to several different religions, but the frequent writings on "God" confuse people into thinking God=Christianity when it's pretty clear that isn't the way it was seen through the eyes of key figures in American history.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:39pm.

So, fayette77, where does the concept of 'freedom of religion' come into play?

I believe that religion is a personal quest, living in the heart and soul of the individual. No government ever needs to take a stance on religion. Yes,our laws need to protect a moral code; however, that moral code is pretty universal theologically. The premise of most religions is one of kindness to others. There are exceptions, but these exceptions are found pretty much across the board.

Hmm....an American Religion....pretty scarry.

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Submitted by fayette77 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 6:38pm.

I agree that the government shouldn't take a stance and side with a particular religion, but we shouldn't throw the baby out w/ the bath water. Freedom from government religion is exactly one of the reason this country was sought after.
I think we can find examples of "freedom of religion" and "separation of church and state" by seeing that the founding fathers in our government (not necessarily those who specifically signed the Constitution, wanted the federal government not to dictate how we would worship God and Christ, not give us the freedom to remove Christianity and come up with a universal code of conduct by what we deem best. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
James Kent in 1811 was the Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court in the case of the People v Ruggles is stated as saying the following statements when they ruled against and charged an offender who publicly blasphemed Jesus Christ. "whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the dissolution of civil government. The people of this State (New York), in common with the people of this country, profess the general doctrines of Christianity, as the rule of their faith and practice; and to scandalize the author of these doctrines is not only, in a religious point of view, extremely impious, but, even in respect to the obligations due to society, is a gross violation of decency and good order. ... We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of (those) imposters" Imposters here implies those Gods or Saviors not of the Christian belief.
There isn't an American or national religion on how to worship God and Christ and I do not wish there to be one, but it's obvious from even court rulings 200 years ago how our government felt that our moral code was and is directly linked to Christianity, not a universal theology of don't kill, don't steal.
Try to find history of our ancestors defending Christianity in today's school history books. You won't, as the NEA is working hard in association w/ the ALCU and the likes to remove the religious foundation of this country. The great thing about a Christian standard that you don't have in a moral code is that the moral code changes with the winds of time and convenience. Christianity and it's instruction here to stay whether the USA in it's current form is here or not.
God bless America and in Him we Trust.
What's scary is the further we move into this universal moral code, the less secure we are from our enemies and the less regard we have for human life. The trend I see over the last 50-60 years isn't promising. In fact, as you said, it's pretty "scarry" although I assume you meant scary.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:57pm.

I truly pray you won't.

Moral code, MORAL CODE, what is this, some club or fraternity we are entering into... goodness gracious. I beg of you, don't vote, please don't vote, you are not bright enough to vote.

"... that moral code is pretty universal theologically." Don't you know that only Christianity has "Love of others" as it's core, 'cept for your Love of God? That means relationships. No other religion on this planet can come CLOSE to professing a Theology that in any way resembles that of Christ and all His examples.

PLEASE don't vote.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 3:27pm.

Dawn - I know you're going to vote!! Please do. Darryl - who taught you your Christian concepts? You need to go back to 'class'. Are you really following the teachings of the Christ as taught by Jesus? Are you doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? I have seen and read about the works of others who are not 'Christians' and their works are very 'Christ like'. We're not known by our labels but by our works!!

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Submitted by darrylwd on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 10:09am.

... next time, before you claim I go back to class, you must first find where I was wrong and define how I was wrong in my words. I nailed it. We are to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. But that does not mean we ignore their mistakes... we can still consul and advise.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 3:51pm.

Don't you know that only Christianity has "Love of others" as it's core, 'cept for your Love of God?

Really? How many other religions have you studied? This isn't a rhetorical question - I'm really interested in your answer.

Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 12:12am.

SUCK. Give me a break.

It is so so so so so sad that both parties have tricked the people into thinking that the DEMS and the REPUBS are the only option. Its the biggest bi-partisian effort ever!

Both parties will spend this country into oblivion. Neither has any regard for fiscal responsibility. Budget.....HA! Who needs that, we can JUST PRINT MORE MONEY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Promise the sheep a new program and they will keep voting for us. GENIUS! The future doesn't matter, only the politician's career.

Kill the parties, take back America.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 5:48am.

must be coming out of Fayette County!
Two dogs are running!

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 1:52pm.

Neither candidate will deal with this economy, because they refuse to address, and deal with the root cause of the problem: the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve central bank! To kill the beast you must lop of the head. Here's a list of the major stock holders of the FED:

1. The Rothchilds – London, England
2. The Rothchilds – Berlin, Germany
3. The Lazard Bros. – Paris, France
4. Israel Seiff – Italy
5. The Kuhn-Loeb Co. – Germany
6. The Warburgs – Amsterdam, Holland
7. The Warburgs – Hamburg, Germany
8. The Lehman Bros. – New York
9. Goldman & Sachs – New York
10. The Rockefellers – New York

The Fed is operated by foreigners for a profit at our expense. All income tax is given to the FED to pay the interest on the national debt. That is money borrowed from the FED!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK before it is too late!!! Go to Google and watch America: Freedom to Fascism, and Zeitgeist. Stop believing the MSM, get your news from the internet.

Write in Ron Paul for President!!!

In Liberty,


Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 2:59pm.

You simply read a report that explained all of the Myths that exists about the Federal Reserve.

It is run by appointed governors who don't answer to any stockholders.

It si fully audited.

However. we are co-mingled with other countries in debt which does allow some influence into how we do our fiscal policy.

Ron Paul knows that!

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 3:35pm.

The FED has never been audited, but Ron Paul wants to, and if you think it is a government agency, try looking it up in the blue section of the phone book, it ain't there! It's in the business section just like Federal Express, another private corporation.

Governors are appointed from a list compiled by private bankers. The Federal Reserve Act was written not by lawmakers, but by New York bankers at the estate of J.P. Morgan on Jekyll Island in 1912. Here's some recommended reading: Creature From Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin.

Stop letting them tell what to think. Stop being naive, these people are enslaving us, and as long as you believe their BS they got you right where they want you. SNAP OUT OF IT!!!! They are liars and common thieves!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 7:06pm.

It's the people they pick to surround them that will have the cerebral power to deal with these issues. Whoever wins; I hope they pick wisely.
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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 7:02am.

Which one of our candidates is capable of picking wisely? I guess it comes down to who is in their circle of friends and associates - the group from which they make their wise picks.

Think about how that's going to work out. God help us all.

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 10/13/2008 - 11:26am.

Yes, are we going with someone who gets advice from Buffet and Robert Rubin or someone who picked a running mate who thinks she's an astronaut because she can see the moon from her porch?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 2:22pm.


And how is the Real Don Steele doing?

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 10/16/2008 - 6:13am.

He spends a lot of time around Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio for some reason.

Bet you didn't know they have a smoking section, but it only makes sense if you think about it. Everyone alive in the 1930's thru the early 1960's smoked and enjoyed it. Probably died from it too, but they enjoyed it when alive, so why cheat them out of it in heaven?

Submitted by fluffybear on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 2:44pm.

KHJ/KRTH was (and is) home to some of the greatest on-air personalities in the history of radio, Robert W. Morgan (The DJ) along with The real Don Steele, Brian Beirne Aka Mr Rock N Roll & Charlie Tuna are just a few names to come to mind.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 4:18pm.

BOSS Radio 93 KHJ. I was sadden to hear that the "Big Kahuna" had died.

And of course, we have to put a plug in for KRLA.

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Submitted by fluffybear on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 6:57pm.

Another name that I fondly remember from the days (during the transition stage of KFI from Top 40 to Talk Radio) when I listened to KRTH.

I'm sorry to hear of his passing as well.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 12:17pm.

What more can be said?

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 12:39pm.

well, well, would you just look who is here!

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 6:58pm.

Meaning neither will do well because neither has a clue about what to do - just like Bush, his cabinet and the rest in Washington.

Good luck next 4 years. I'm moving to Canada and I'm not a celebrity.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 7:16pm.

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'.

That's if you really mean it or are you only teasing us??

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 7:04pm.

Even if Obama is elected, I have a plan.

I will stop making my mortgage payments, ask for the gummint' to bail me out and then ask for a monthly check because I have too many children. Food stamps can't be far behind. Question - can you buy beer with food stamps? Not just any beer, but Corona. I ask because I saw this happen before my very eyes in the baby Kroger last Saturday and the answer is yes, yes you can.

Oh wait, first I have to switch party affiliations to Dem. Then I'm good to go.

Like my plan?

Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:49pm.

to issue food stamps or any of the many other give-aways we have. I am against all these give-aways to many undeserving people, but I must say they pale in comparasion when we see what give-aways our goverment has just handed out to major corporations. Now I hear they are giving even more millions to AIG. Guess they need another R&R. I'd like to give them all about 20 years R&R right next to O.J.
Because it is criminal to waste that money when the economy is in this shape--and why would our government give them even more?? That is even more criminal. This is the best country in the world but you have to wonder how much greater it could be without all the corruption, graft, etc. Every great nation in history has crumbled from these evils and sad to say we are not immune.

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Submitted by mudcat on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 6:48pm.

All I want to do is be a layabout with guranteed income and no job - sort of like JeffC. How do I get to do that?

I thought that Dems encouraged people like me so they could get my vote (or votes). How can I get mine after I have have already paid for at least 10 of theirs already? Tell me please.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:56pm.

It all reminds me of a humorous quote by
Ashleigh Brilliant:

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to
participate in it."

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 7:03pm.

is ready when you are. Check in with us every now and then.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 7:09pm.

However, there will be less flights available to get there.
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