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First of all, I am not a Delta employee and no one in my family is employed by Delta. But here is how I understand what happened.... Union rules say that in a merger, no one should have a windfall at the expense of another. Delta's pilots offered NW's pilots a deal that would have EVERYONE keep their exact "percentile rank" in seniority. So if pilot at NW had 77% seniority, after the merger he would still have 77% seniority. Likewise, if a Delta pilot had 65% seniority, that is what he would have after the merger. No one gains or loses. NW, however, wanted date-of-hire seniority, which would mean many of their pilots would GAIN in seniority ranking and many Delta pilots would lose ranking. Sounds to me that NW pilots were being greedy (especially considering that the merger would also give them an instant pay raise and increase in benefits, if my information is correct) and Delta pilots were just trying to preserve what they currently have.

Yes, I agree, pilots, especially ones with decent seniority, have a "cush" life. But to be honest, I want the man or woman at the controls of the large, fuel-laden, hunk of flying steel I may be flying in to be very happy, well-rested, and alert! I don't want to put my life in the hands of a disgruntled, tired, stressed-out pilot! But that's just my opinion.... (FYI - I like happy, well-rested doctors & nurses, too!).

I don't understand why there is so much animosity directed at pilots. They trained a long time to earn the right to fly a plane (many through military service, others had to pay their way through pilot training). Anybody can ring up orders at McDonald's, but not everyone can fly a plane. What's with the anger towards pilots?

You understand, and stated, the seniority problem correctly. The NW pilots were just posturing for a better deal.

I think I'm in man-love

Kevin "Hack" King

"I don't understand why there is so much animosity directed at pilots.

You have to understand the mentality of some of these back-woods 'thinkers' down here... It isn't animosity, it is jealousy over that "cush" pilot life.

Some of these posters live in trailer parks - yeehaw! They're just angry with their own lives.

I think "pilot envy" is a bit more universal. As far as I'm concerned, they earn every penny they make. Nonetheless, it's fun to carp about the atypical $300K pilot.

I recently flew a Delta Connection flight to a very small town on a regional jet. I sat next to a deadheading (I think that's the term) co-pilot fresh out of Embry Riddle Aeronautical university. In the course of conversation he mentioned that he made $21,000 per YEAR.

I remember thinking "I am putting my life in the hands of some twenty something making $21K a YEAR"?

On the flip side of the equation, I recently had lunch with a woman who had very senior flight attendant status with Delta (her seniority was like in the double digits, meaning out of all the thousands of flight attendants she was 50th overall in seniority for the company). Life is VERY comfortable when you reach that rarified air, but it doesn't last very long as most of those attendants become eligible for retirement shortly thereafter.
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Go get the training and flight time and become an airline pilot! If anyone thinks they are overpaid, don't work long enough hours, etc., go for it, it's a free country. You can be one of those "overpaid, rich" pilots too. Stop whining and sitting on your sofa rotting away and take decisive action in your life! TESTIFY!

I've got to agree with you that whenever I've flown with a younger pilot on a non-major airline or in another country on a glorified crop-duster that I've thought the same "I'm putting my life in the hands of a guy making minimum wage.":) I certainly don't begrudge an airline pilot or anyone else getting paid as much as the marketplace will bear for their labor.I really don't understand why anyone else would envy and resent another for doing well, but I guess that's the unseemly side of human nature for some.

You have been displaying this nasty personality for the last 2+ weeks, what is up? Chi thief get you?

If you greet all of your potential clients like this.....

You need to find a place where you can find peace.....Decatur, Virginia Highlands sound like your cup of tea....and you work there.

I live here because it is close to work. Unless it is close to work, what are you doing?? Besides torturing everyone around you?

really addressing ME??

I've attempted several times recently to converse with you nicely about random thoughts (Thai food...remember?) and you always ignore me, however, you just now jump into the nasty dialogue referring to me as "$cream", wagging your digit and thumping your chest? Feel better now, hon? It's so typical of you.

My Chi is just fine, thanks and we love the beauty of this place (not so much the attitudes), so we'll stay in PTC. The bike riding is great.

I wasn't trying to be mean. I really am kind of concerned about you. You are screaming at everyone. That was my point.

Sorry no chest thumping.

Your tirades on here remind me of a kids book about crosspatch the lion. He was in a kids petting zoo. He growled everytime someone came near him, soon none of the kids would go near his cage and pet him. He realized he had to be nice. Then the crowds of kids came back.

Have a good weekend.

If you step back and look at the big picture, you'll see that the tirade happened when I made two posts yesterday, one regarding 'trailer park' mentality, and the possiblity of Jesus being gay. Then the you-know-what hit the fan. I stood back and watched the firestorm and it was actually very entertaining. From reading how Tug and Jane wanted to rip my hair out, and others telling me to get the hell out and move to Atlanta.... well, the tirade wasn't on MY part.

As I mentioned before, I've lost respect for the blog, obviously, after I asked for a truce on the vicious posting, and denise pretty much laughed in my face. Git and Sniffles kept at it, and the mayhem continued, which was really the last straw for me. There are so many important issues facing our country right now and this blog has failed to take on a form of dialogue that is healthy and constructive towards building cohesion or consensus among us. The occasional coffee gatherings have helped, however, once we resume our positions on the blog, the insanity continues. It's not for me.

My stomach started to take a turn several weeks ago with the bpr/lilly incident and my view of the blog, as being a positive forum for discourse, has never recovered actually. This was the beginning of the end for me wanting to participate, really. It was sickening to me what she did, and to many others. And the negativity on here continues down the same course.

Like Jeffc mentioned, I've also found some new blogs to converse on, blogs that are monitored and where trolls and flame throwing, and 'sockpuppets' (multiple identities) are banned immediately. I can actually have a political or religious discussion with another blogger, without it resulting in mud-slinging! Very refreshing. I'll check in here on occasion but I'll take my deeply held beliefs and opinions, to another forum. I'm sure there are several on here who will appreciate the absence of my liberal, non-religious views anyway.

Peace.

Or is your leash pulling too tight? Taking $niffle$ with you? Sniff... Sniff....

If "trolls and flame throwing" and mud-slinging aren't allowed on these monitored blogs, then you'll be banned immediately. But there's always the Daily KOOKS. You'd fit right in. You might not have much time, though, since you and the other Code Pink-O's always have a protest going somewhere. Do you plan any more "Breasts Not Bombs" sit-ins? Now that's sickening.

Before you leave, please show me where Jane or I said anything about pulling your hair out. That is not true.
I suggest you step back and take responsibility for your comments. Stop blaming everyone else. You are NOT the innocent one here.

I hope you find some Berkley bloggers to share with.

Good luck

Since you have gone I don't know if you will get this or not, but you did say you would check in from time to time and plus one of your email buddies can tell you.

I tried to make peace with you and you refused it. I find that sad, like I said I don't like to be at odds with anyone- but I did try so I have not reached the level of perfection, I don't think I will.

I blog on other sites also, maybe I will see you there.

If your willing to make peace give me a yell, btw no I did not want you to leave, I don't think that way about you. When you check in be sure and say hi.

Have a good evening.

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First off, Tug and Jane were talking about their own hair, not yours.
Second, for someone who so loves diversity, I find it funny that you live in that bastion of diversity PTC. I guess it's better to visit diversity then it is to be immersed in it. The whole time I'm talking about your disdain for the county, state, and region all you can talk about is the citizen blogs and I don't think you're that obtuse so I have to conclude that you were avoiding the real subject. I wish you well where ever you end up blogging.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

A+ for reading comprehension!

Thank you for always "calling 'em as you see 'em."

Let me get this straight. Only tolerance and compassion for the liberals, blacks, and gays--since they are diverse, but it is fine to make fun of people that happen to live in a trailer and that live in the "the back-woods", AKA Fayette County. How politically correct of you, Main.

I know a wonderful lady who lives in a beautiful trailer. She is so thankful to have a home.

Delta is ready when you are! Bye YEEHAW!!

And thanks for encouraging the patronage of my company. Everyone is in fight mode these days. Haven't I shown how dangerous that can be to one's physical health? How many arms must be lost? Fighting in Tibet. Sparring on the blogs. Oh the humanity!!!!

Love ya!!
Kevin "Hack" King

ps: When I was in High School an Air Force guy I knew at Seymour Johnson had a porsche 944 and a trailer. The girls loved him at the club, but were always a bit let down when he turned into the driveway! True story!

Delta is ready when you are?

*chuckle*
Don't travel much, do ya?

Delta used to be ready when I am, but in the post-9/11 world Delta seems to only want to add flights to D.C and the metro NYC area.

Thankfully, Airtran seems to be stepping up to fill a lot of routes abandoned or cut back by Delta.

And "Platinum Medallion" ain't what it used to be, either
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Don't hate. Appreciate! Who flies blue and beige together anyway? Honestly? That is plaid and pin stripes playa!

Kevin "Hack" King

Those "Class Y" walk-up fares are murdering my bottom line, though!
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You are not a nice person. I followed your link and read the exchange. You sir have no right to be so nasty. Mr. Git Real seems to give you in return equal amounts of the nastiness that you heap onto others. You have a long history of treating people in an ugly fashion. Man-up and humble yourself. Be nice for once.

Your assessment of sniffles and mainstream are right on. Sniffles has been banned under at least one other name before. They just can't stand Git's superior humor and wit, or Denise's superior intellect and reasoning.

to "Nazi" and "christian hater?" I saw two men walking down the same street. The difference was the inclusion of family by Sniff, which was a low blow. But don't think Git wasn't swinging. I've been hit here many times while extending an olive branch. Just go over to the original Wal Mart miscarraige story if you need proof. This place is partisan central, just like our country

Kevin "Hack" King

and it's all George Bush's fault

I am quite a nice person. Having said that, I will not tolerate personal attacks aimed at me, which the vulgarian Dense Conner as well as the Sissy have learned to their dismay.

I realize in your view of the world, the centrists and liberals should stand idly by and "turn the other cheek" while certain conservatives heap constant abuse and personal attacks on those they disagree with.

Not going to happen, friend.

If it's any consolation, Silence, I learned yesterday that there actually is a limit to Dense Conner's vileness. She began to lecture women who have had miscarriages on how they should feel (typical of Dense) and got smacked around pretty thoroughly by women who'd actually suffered one. She actually backed down from her vile comments, something I did not think she was capable of. So perhaps there is hope for this board yet.

You will also note that your so-called "nice man" the Sissy began the nastiness...far from "returning" any nastiness, he initiated. I fight fire with fire, a lesson the Sissy needs reinforcing. I am simply educating the Sissy that his actions have consequences.

If the vulgarian and the sissy want a rhetorical truce, I'm game. But there's no way I'm going to initiate a truce unilaterally.
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It's me! Sissy as you say.

It's been a busy day today. Been working on a several million dollar deal today and I hired a high paid salesman for North Carolina and Virginia. Shucks... now I've got to buy him a company vehicle,a crackberry, laptop, pay his insurance, match his 401K and then sit back and reap the benefits. Gosh being a greedy conservative is such hard work. You know how it is. Oh.... I guess not. Someone's got to create the much needed jobs and tax revenues to fuel the funding needed to fight terrorism and Islamo Facists where ever they are. Not to mention, subsidizing Obama supporters that rely on the gumament for their subsistence.

I've done my part to support this country today. How about you?

Here. Let me help you out with a few new names to use on me. You lost your creative touch some time back.

Sissy - sis·sy
Pronunciation[sis-ee]
1. an effeminate boy or man.
2. a timid or cowardly person.
3. a little girl.

alarmist, baby*, bedwetting democrat, big baby, caitiff, chicken*, chicken liver*, chicken-heart, code-pink, craven, cur, dastard, democrat, deserter, DNC, evironmentalist, faint-of-heart, fraidy cat, funk, gutless*, gutless wonder, invertebrate*, jellyfish*,left-wing loony, liberal, lily-liver, malingerer, milksop, milquetoast, mollycoddle, mouse*, move-on.org, nerd, Obama, pacifist, pessimist, poltroon, progressive, punk, quitter, rabbit*, recreant, scaredy-cat, shirk, shirker, sissy, skulker, sneak, socialist, turkey, war protester, weak sister, weakling, white liver*, yellow*, yellow-belly

BTW: I love the Uncle Tom Hat. Or is that an Uncle Tom Wannabe Hat?

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Is there any way at all you guys would be interested in getting together at a particular gym in town which I frequent? Adult supervision, safety equipment, and the ability to end the chest thumping and put away the yard stick; I mean ruler that always comes out when men get in a huff? Something has to give. Don't make me use my one good arm!!!!!

Kevin "Hack" King

for the beer for everybody. Can't be Easter but tomorrow would be good.

Hold it at LA Boxing and sell some tickets! Broadcast it on the community channel! As Don King says: "ONLY IN PEACHTREE CITY .....errr..."America!"

And now.....for the dozens in attendance, and the hundreds watching on Comcast.....LET'S GET READY TO STUMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLEEEE!!!

I expect a clean fight and protect yourselves at all times. If you are going to do nothing but talk, stay in your corner. There is no standing-8 count but the spectators have the right to hurl rotten fruits and vegetables at you if they get restless.

Wow, you were busy today. If sales people get these kind of benefits, I'm for hire for admin work, do I get the same benefits too? My laptop is starting to slow down, and I want a differnt color blackberry. Contact me if you need extra help for the office!

From the bottom up! Of course if you're my admin dude, then you're probably going to get stuck in a room with bunches of wires, flashing lights, noisy fans and heat. Actually I outsource that part of the biz. We did put in five new Dell Vostro's today and Tim the Tool Man PC. Now to get back to chasing deadbeats....

Where have you been KJam?

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"I'm Pro Choice - On Light Bulbs

WORKING, WORKING, WORKING..... Running a business is tough, but loving it...... Geez, wish I had those benefits. Dell's, yep I'll take a few of those. I figured out it's no fun chasing deadbeat's, they chase them selves in circles.

Anyone meeting a payroll, paying taxes, complying with the overwhelming demands and whims of the gumament has my complete respect and admiration. I salute thee!

As for those deadbeats.... I refer to them as economic terrorists. They are harmful to our society and our economy. They burn you, the law hardly gives a rip, and the government loses countless tax revenues on monies that the deadbeat never pays. Being a deadbeat also equates to being a tax cheat. I may hate excessive taxes, but at least I'm not a tax cheat.

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You have not been a nice person on this forum for as long as I've been following the happenings on this forum. You make claims that certain conservatives heap personal attacks on those they disagree with. Respectfully sir, have you ever took the time to read your posts and access the vulgarian attacks that you make on others?

I'm sorry you feel that you have to become so nasty in disagreeing with everyone who disagrees with you. You have attacked everyone from Denise to the nice lady Mrs. Tug. Then you wonder why everyone is against you and responds to you so harshly. I shall try not to offend you with what I am about to say. I will also be kind and truthful as a somewhat neutral party. You sir have been one of the most obscene and mean posters on this forum for a very long time. Why would you become upset when someone challenges you. Mr. Hack was right when he said it was time for you to accept what you unload on others. I paraphrase.

Think about how unacceptable it was for you to threaten another poster over words. That should be suspend-able offense.

Please keep posting Mr. Sniffles. And please stop being so angry and harsh. I believe others will follow suit. I leave wishing you the very best that life offers.

"Please keep posting Mr. Sniffles. And please stop being so angry and harsh. I believe others will follow suit. I leave wishing you the very best that life offers."
Class. Pure class. Thanks.

Kevin "Hack" King

What is it, does someone have to meet you before you stop saying ill things to them- I have noticed that?

Please if you want tolerance, respect, compassion- spell Denise name correct- you and two other spell it in different ways- what does that say?

What is it with Git- he's a nice guy- so is Denise- why all hostile complaining- come on - adults are on here.

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That chuckle bit belongs to Git- that's his line- I must say Git a cute line- alot want to use it.

What is wrong with you picking on a sweet lady- oh, I know- your unhappy and need attention again, well here it is- be nice to people.

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Hope you are well.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

It must be absolute Hell for you to have to live down here in, as you say it, "redneckistan". If only you had as much respect and tolerance and compassion for the people here where you seem to make your living, as you seem to have for the rest of this country. While I don't live in a trailer, I also don't look down on them for doing so.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"If only you had as much respect and tolerance and compassion for the people here."

Other than a few other bloggers on here, I have seen little in the way of tolerance and respect in this forum or in Fayette County for that matter for people with views that are counter to their own.

And most recently, the most vicious posters on here have shown their extreme racism, sexism, and religious-political-social intolerance, turning this blog into a cesspool of words. I'm just telling it as I see it, and pointing out the obvious.

btw - I don't make my living in Fayette County. My market is inside the perimeter (ITP), actually. Much more diversity (blacks, gays, liberals) in Atlanta!

Respect, tolerance, and compassion goes both ways. It's not just one sided.

I certainly don't look down on people who live in trailers, I don't live in one- but guess what there are loads of good and great people that do.- Tolerance, respect and compassion?

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...to raise a child! Inspired by Hillary Clinton's book of the obvious comes not only a book(It Takes a Trailer Park), but the MUSIC!

Antsy McClain and The Trailer Park Troubadours!
http://www.unhitched.com/

I think my favorite has to be "DoubleWide and Dangerous." LOL.

You are the last person who should be wagging your digit and preaching from your hypocritical pulpit at ANYONE, regarding respect and tolerance, bpr/lilly/bobcat.

It's BPR- I know a few things. You can't pull that one on me anymore.

Did I hit a nerve, is it nice to make fun of someone that lives in a trailer? BTW- I told you I was sorry if I offended you before. How nice you were when I didn't disagree with you- where is the compassion, respect, tolerance- is this what you call this?????

Hummm- all this happens at Easter?

For your answers about Jesus ask you theology friend that knows Dr. Stephen Hooks, I know Dr. Stephen Hooks views on what you asked and I will compare them. I'm not theologian- just a horrible sinner saved by grace. You don't have a clue what I am talking about. Your friend should.

Are you doing a little judging yourself? All the name calling- what is that about- please use your vocabulary- when you do name calling it shows a lack of it.

Don't worry Denise will be back and you can have it out with her also.
Personally, I don't care what you think about me, I am over that- I just won't argue with you- you enjoy that- you look for it daily, I can tell by your posts. So, I won't give you that enjoyment- so call me whatever you wish.

This is one of my favorite times of the year and I won't let you ruin it, instead I will share it with you.

Listen to this: I don't have to worry- because I am forgiven- Jesus paid the price for our sin, "Jesus Is Alive. Enjoy. "

Happy Easter, Main Stream

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Clearly you did hit a nerve with main stream. As we can tell from her comment about "trailer parks" she is referencing "white trash" that others on this blog have referenced. BPR, you hit a nerve with me during your time as "Lily", mainly because I felt that you showed the bad side of Christians....As BPR, you have always been a kind hearted soul!

I guess only those "progressive minded" folks on this site are the truly tolerant ones. That thought is rather humorous, especially after reading this thread. Rather than defending her comment, she goes after Denise and Git, both of whom have gone head to head with sniffles and herself. While I don't like the nature of the personal attacks that have taken over this blog, these attacks can't be attributed only to one side of the isle….

I remember telling you sorry if I offended you right?

I do know you.

As I told you it's BPR.

BTW- Thanks my goal in life is to be a kind hearted soul- with God's help I will- often I fail- but He is faithful and just and forgives me. Thank God for that. Right.

Have a good evening.

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Yes Ma'am, you did. Like I said earlier, I enjoy you as BPR, not so much as the other personalities....You have a good night as well.

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Do you know Penguin? If so where has he been, not on here in a long time- well I guess some would understand that.

Hey, your the good guy- everyone loves you.

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You're right where is that little cool bird?

Everyone loves me. Not hardly. Sometimes I make BIG mistakes. More later.

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Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

I like you- How could they not like you.

I met Penguin- let me know if you hear from him- nice guy.

Have a good evening- you heard from Tug didn't you- sweet lady.

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I know you do sound at your church, did you hear my music I played for Main- By Hillsong and Ron Kenoly- I don't know if she heard it but it's where I say listen. I don't know what kind of church you go to, but I love music- I love CCM- but I still love James Taylor, Doobie Brothers, Bread, The Jacksons and Michael, The Eagles well I could go on forever- my favorite you probably don't know- Russ Taff.

Hey, I married a radio guy who else would I marry? We talk about the good ole days and where did they go? He's 49 and I am younger some.

Have a good evening- I do think you treat people nice.

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I was talking about the state(ATS), not the county. So I'm to assume you only have respect for the people who echo your views? You can base all that on just the few posters on this site? If I remember right it was said just recently on the citizen that there are about 106,000 people in this county and you'll base your opinion on the few people who blog on the citizen. Well so be it, I would have thought it had to start somewhere but I guess I'm wrong again. If you dislike this area so much why in the world do you live here?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I enjoy civil discourse with others with opposing opinions. However, this blog has proven NOT to be the forum in which to conduct any form of civil discourse with those with opposite views.

I asked denise and git the other night to have a truce on hateful and personal posts only to find denise posting her 'nasties' again the next morning. This blog has become like the 'Wild West' where personal attacks will no doubt continue, as Cal doesn't seem to be policing the content very well or he just doesn't care.

When a person (denise) infers to another woman that it is best to let a dead fetus rot inside of her uterus, instead of taking proper medical steps to have it removed, surgically with a D&C (nice word for abortion), any amount of respect I had for her, that same group of nasty posters, and this blog have come to an abrupt end.

An example of your "civil" discourse posted just 3 hours before your post to Hutch:

ATLtoPTC - good points...

You have to understand the mentality of some of these back-woods 'thinkers' down here... It isn't animosity, it is jealousy over that "cush" pilot life.

Some of these posters live in trailer parks - yeehaw! They're just angry with their own lives.

BTW, exactly WHICH POSTERS are you talking about?

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About that "truce" you proposed, which called for only Git & Denise to stop the "nasties," as you call them (unconditional surrender as I see it)...

That was after you posted, "Git....well, he continues to be a turd, of course."

And holy cow git... (You should know that he's not Hindu. )

Gosh Git!? Got the nasties tonight, or what?

I guess this blog is a better place for you to vent then [sic] takin' it out on the wife and kiddies. Please don't be kickin' your dog tonight too, okay... Take your chill pill and go to bed.

That wouldn't be one of those stereotypes that you like to talk about, would it?

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Then there's the "truce" you offered me with the the 10+ "personal attacks," including calling me a "flame throwing troll" and perverting my post, as you did again today, about "proper medical steps," although you give no support for your claim. You choose inflammatory language ("best to let a dead fetus rot inside of her uterus"), which reveals your argument is based on your emotions and prejudices (denigrating the South again, too) rather than reason and FACTS.

Expectant management (the correct medical terminology) is one of 3 options, and the one that often has a lower rate of complications. Once the fetus dies, it and the placenta degenerate (shrink in size) and one option is to wait for a miscarriage to occur. That is a "proper medical step," whether you like it or not.

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You've proclaimed more than once that you would no longer "waste your time" addressing me, but as you often do, you then attack me in a post to someone else (when I wasn't online) and had made no comment to you. I seriously doubt your being "serious" about stopping "vicious posting." Seriously.

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The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. ~ Winston Churchill

Dense, I see you are still squealing about being called on the carpet regarding your inappropriate commentary in the Walmart miscarriage thread. People were discussing the issue largely in an adult manner until you showed up.

Then Dense had to indulge her pathetic need to be the center of attention. "Lookee me! Lookee ME! I googled 'gynecology'!" and Voila! Enter Dense Conner, instant Google Gynecologist. You added your trademark cut and paste, this time about how dead fetuses should be left to rot in the womb (and how women should feel about this), rubbed your hands together in glee, and waited for the inevitable fawning replies from your tiny but vocal band of sycophants.

Didn't quite work out for you this time, did it, Dense?

It seems that women who'd actually HAD miscarriages took great offense to being told by the likes of you how they "should" feel.

Something went terribly wrong this time, didn't it, "Doctor"?

You tried rationalizing your commentary but people wouldn't come around to your position that your inappropriate behavior was to be valued and treasured! Your "friends" deserted you! And poor little Dense, the needy girl who thought she was oh-so-smart...actually had to apologize for her insensitive boorish remarks.

How that must have hurt!

Perhaps in the future, "Doctor", you should stick to subjects you have first hand experience with! Mental Illness comes to mind.

Or perhaps you should give up your "menstrual show" altogether and go back to your tried and true race-baiting "minstrel show" (Does the phrase "Yassuh, Massah Hack!" ring any bells?). With all your whining about "the deaths you've experienced", you could add the old spiritual "Nobody Knows De Trubble I Seen" to your act as well! (Since we all know that only YOU have experienced the death of a friend or family member in this life).

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Why is it when I'm talking to "Main $tream" YOU answer? But the "two" of you $ound $oooooo much alike that it i$ hard to tell the difference.

Is putting your 2 cent$ in (you never found that lo$t $, did you) your "pathetic need to be the center of attention"?

You're the one who's in peril for not telling the truth, but then your hero doesn't even know the meaning of the word is.

My original comments, posted under the news story about the dead baby left in the Wal-Mart toilet, were in response to Main $tream's "shock" that "It MUST have been a LAW" here in "back-woods" "trailer park" Georgia (M$ is "from the west [Beserkley] where it is a much more liberal environment, than the deep south") because she knows "the proper procedure." My comments were directed to M$'s misinformation, ignorance, or deliberate distortion (which she has a habit of doing, especially when commenting on abortion).

Whenever there is misinformation or deliberate distortion presented, I or anyone else can respond with additional facts or opinions. It's a free country unless you've been made dictator.

Where did I tell anyone "how they 'should' feel"?

Dispute the medical or legal FACTS with reliable sources, if you can.

"Dead fetuses should be left to rot in the womb." (Incorrect medically, but why let the FACTS get in the way of emotional invective?) Plagiarizing Main $cream like you’ve done with "Jeff"?

Jeff C: “I believe we are owed an explanation of some kind.” And we're still waiting......

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"Your trademark cut and paste"

Sniffy: your patented cut-and-paste

Sniffy repeats twice: "Doctor", [sic] you're very accomplished at cut and paste. [Thanks!]

"SusieQ" a.k.a. -- Not much comes out of her mouth. It's all "copy and paste."

$ageless a.k.a. Nitpicker$, $Dollar$, Bonker$, etc.: deluge of great waves of cut and paste

Yardman Peter Lewin (Vice Chair of FayCo Dems): "Which is more lethal, waterboarding, or Denise's deluge of cut and paste?"

Sniffy: I fully expected a deluge of cut-and-paste. Cut and paste is much easier on the brain than original thought.

Sniffy d.b.a. Basmati who was banned: -- "Denise's pissy little 'gotcha' questioning. Lengthy cut-n-pastes with precious original thought may appeal to bottom-feeders like you, but you'll forgive me if I ignore her incessant squealing."

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“in an adult manner”

M$: Dense-ise - you're just sounding ridiculous at this point. Your posts are getting more and more... uh.... retarded, for lack of a better word. And regarding age, your post sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. Grow up please.

M$ to Yard: at the level of a 12 year old

“Conner, in all seriousness, did your parents write you a note exempting you from high school biology?”

“Jeff, keep in mind you're debating a woman with some pretty significant gaps in her basic education…. I've always had my doubts that she ever attended college…. I now wonder if she ever passed intro to Biology in HIGH SCHOOL.” ....... Fawning again?

Do I hear a familiar ring here, or is it w..h..i..n..e..?

Sniffy: “Virtually everything that comes out of Denise's mouth is a lie, half-truth or misrepresentation.”

Sniffy: “Since we all know that only YOU…” You’re losing your last touch with reality.

Your meds obviously aren't working and need adjusting. Perhaps a little rest is in order (having so much "free time" can be stressful). A nice, loooooong rest.

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The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. ~ Winston Churchill

Hack has Sniffles, Mainstream and Yardman on a tight leash right now. Note the lack of vicious responses?

Sniffles is being real nice (in his own mind)right now and only using his vicious language when addressing issues and folks he despises who aren't posters. He's used this tactic often after reeling from the backlash and realizations that he went off the deep end. LOL!

It won't last long. Just keep pointing out his nastiness and hate and after it builds from within, Speagal / Gollum will lose it once again. Until then..... a bit of peace.

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"On a tight leash"

Maybe it's just the lull before the storm?

I was watching Sméagol/Gollum last night, to be continued tonight. The part where he's wearing a leash, in fact. Tolkien would be surprised, do you think, with the modern application of his books.

You tried rationalizing your commentary but people wouldn't come around to your position that your inappropriate behavior was to be valued and treasured! Your "friends" deserted you!

No.... Her friends didn't desert her. Why don't you do a little medical research on your own. I'm checking with my doctor friends to get a view on this.

actually had to apologize for her insensitive boorish remarks.

How that must have hurt!

A simple and humble concept that is beyond your capabilities to grasp!

Now. You've can start your hate-based day off to a fine start. Someone bit back atcha! Now go ahead and tell us again what a picked on whiny baby victim you are again.

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"I'm Pro Choice - On Light Bulbs

How someone can be filled with so much hate ...

In the situation that $niff's referring to, a D&E (dilation and evacuation or extraction) would likely have been required because it happened during the second trimester (13-27 weeks gestational age / months 4-6). Forceps are used to crush the skull and dismember the body of the fetus, which is removed piece by piece and then reassembled to ensure that the entire body is removed. A distasteful procedure, even if the baby has died, that doctors who deliver babies may want to avoid if there is another way. Understandable to me, especially if expectant management usually has fewer complications. But, Americans are conditioned to demand instant solutions and doctors just to do something (such as antibiotics for viral infections -- colds). Then there's the profit motive. A miscarriage isn't easy, no matter how it happens.

Did you know that the NAF [National Abortion Federation (providers and financial profiteers)] realized that there was an "emerging crisis in abortion service delivery" since fewer doctors were choosing to perform abortions. Too many "providers" were old and getting older (50 years or older) with too few young recruits willing to volunteer. NAF's solution? All ob-gyn residency programs must require abortion techniques as a standard part of training. NAF developed the curriculum, including "A Values Clarification Guide for Health Professionals" since too many residents were not voluntarily choosing to include the training. Congress adopted the Coats Amendment as a remedy for NAF's "choice."

Where has the most intense lobbying been done (for "increased abortion training opportunities")? New York (because of the large number of training hospitals) and California, in case you couldn't guess. National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL) is one of the main lobbyists.

"New York is the nation's capital of abortion. The state, one of a minority that fund abortions for Medicaid recipients, has none of the restrictions, such as parental notification laws, that hamper access in many states. In 2004, 40 percent of pregnancies in the city ended in abortion (the estimated national average is 24 percent)." No wonder Hillary moved to NY.

“Abortion Crisis as Doctors Refuse to Perform Surgery”

Britain is facing an abortion crisis because an unprecedented number of doctors are refusing to be involved in carrying out the procedure.

Distaste at performing terminations combined with ethical and religious convictions has led to a big increase in "conscientious objectors" who request exemption from the task. A key factor is what specialists call "the dinner party test." Gynaecologists who specialise in fertility treatment creating babies for childless couples are almost universally revered - but no one boasts of being an abortionist.

In the U.S., where abortion is more politicised, abortionists are made to seem "worthwhile and heroic." But in Britain it is regarded as low status and unglamorous.

"There is an ethos that people go into medicine to save lives and look after people.... It is difficult and upsetting work and it is done with obvious reticence. We are seeing more doctors who are reluctant to be involved in the process and this is happening in the context of growing demand [because abortion has come to be just another birth control method, which doctors resent]."

"You get no thanks for performing abortions; you get spat on. Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?"

"The worst are colleagues - they can be overtly rude." [Maybe that's because they know the truth about abortion.]

“Medically, abortion really isn't a popular thing to do, it is not a very technical or demanding operation and it's actually quite disheartening."

"There's no handshakes or slaps on the backs afterwards, or the sense that you've done something great for someone. The best you can hope for is sense of relief that it is over.” [What a way to live life. There isn't nearly as much financial incentive in the U.K., with socialized medicine, as in the U.S., and no NARAL NAGS to drum up recruitment and spread propaganda.]

“Abortion Crisis as Doctors Refuse to Perform Surgery”

Being an abortion practitioner must really bite. Can you imagine the introductions at parties?

Dr. Bill: I'm a leading Cancer research doctor working on innovative and effective treatments in saving lives.

Dr. Ted: I'm a trauma center surgeon. I piece broken bodies back together.

Dr. Sue: I practice at Children's Healthcare of Atlanta saving the lives of children.

Dr. Right: I deliver babies and specialize in the life saving techniques utilized for pre-mature babies.

Dr. Left: Uhh.... I burn unborn babies in order to kill them and then eradicate them from it's mother's womb. If the baby is old enough, I poke a hole in it's head and suck it's brain out so the eviction process will be more comforting to the babies mother.

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You didn't ask sniffles, wasn't he included? Didn't it seem a little one sided to ask just Git and Denise? They weren't even the subject this whole thread is about. I thought your remark about the trailers and their occupants was mean spirited, and how you can equate this whole area with the small number of posters on this site respectively is beyond me. If you're looking for diversity Fayetteville is quite diverse, that's the problem so many people have with it in fact.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You say "I asked denise and git the other night to have a truce on hateful and personal posts only to find denise posting her 'nasties' again the next morning."

You should lead by example for an extended period of time before you try to hold Git and Denise accountable to your demands and wishes. Please don't take this personally but you lack any credibility in demanding that your opponents behave in a civilized manner. You have not been a nice person on this forum. Git is a funny and nice person. I think he only feeds off of the ugliness of you and that other nasty man.

"any amount of respect I had for her, that same group of nasty posters, and this blog have come to an abrupt end." Do you include yourself in this group of nasty posters?

If you happen to read the posts from that night, you will see that the personal attacks were being escalated on both sides, to a point of violence. The 'truce' was requested to defuse the situation and denise chose to continue the attacks disregarding any request to stop the nasty posting. So, I don't get your point, really. If Cal won't step in to stop the personal attacks then someone has to try and diffuse the situation - don't you think?

And I could care less what you think regarding my 'credibility' because you are obviously one of their ilk, which is fine.

In my view, you have no credibility either, just by the company you keep on this blog.

I have a very difficult time keeping the discussion on an even keel. It is not that I want to get into personal diatribes with others here...it is that I have a difficult time with people who do not realize that there are actually two valid sides to most arguments. I can't even use an example here because it would start an entire "flame" war just trying to cite an example.

I did fall into a personal exchange with one person here because that person chose to question my character and the sincerity of my beliefs. When the discussion turns personal, I generally just sort of disappear into the woodwork. The problem with that strategy is that one leaves the "other side" with the ability to gloat over "victory". We are damned if we stand up for ourselves and we are ridiculed if we don't.

I don't know the answer. I do know that there are those who appeal to reason to prevail in discussions and there are those who appeal to emotion to prevail and these two types have a very difficult time actually communicating with each other. And they both appear here in the "blogs" personified by one person or another. All I can offer is...keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

You're not quite as innocent as you'd have us believe.

"It is not that I want to get into personal diatribes with others here..."

The question, sage... "Which is more lethal, waterboarding, or Denise's deluge of cut and paste?"

[Funny, but totally unprovoked since my post was to $niffy]

“river already said that the tornadoes were sent to rid Atlanta of gays (I think "queers" was the term he used).”

[Totally unprovoked and not all funny]

Yardman “applauds” Sniffles’ statements:
“In short, I cannot think of any particular tenet of conservatism that I agree with” and “As a Christian, I find the basic tenets of conservatism to be incompatible with Christianity.”

[Posted under the thread about district voting, which, as vice chair of FayCo Dems, you whole-heartedly support]

What I notice, sniff... is the way Denise always slips away when the discussion gets down to factual information that she cannot refute with invective and opinion. Only to appear later as if the entire thing never happened.

[Again, totally unprovoked since my post was to $niffy. BTW, you never did explain what in the world you were talking about. ]

Yardman to Main Stream:
As for Denise, her credibility has been severely compromised since she has not been able to justify her beliefs with the "Golden Rule" she so devoutly espouses.

[This is one of your replies to my post AF A-10 "Hack" -- MARTA & Crime, after accusing me of "inundating" you with statistics (another charge unexplained) and not "stick[ing] to the subject." (Hack & others mentioned crime; so that was "the subject.")] Still waiting for those answers.....

Were these comments appealing to reason or emotion?

Regarding your comment on personal attacks and turning the other cheek:

"The problem with that strategy is that one leaves the "other side" with the ability to gloat over "victory". We are damned if we stand up for ourselves and we are ridiculed if we don't."

I totally agree. That is the reason this blog needs to be monitored so the dialogue does not escalate to the point of initiating personal attacks on another blogger. This blog is not monitored, like others are, and it should be if it is going to survive. But again, maybe Cal doesn't have the time or believe that a monitor is important.

When you have a vocal blog community like this, discussing passionate issues such as politics, religion and social matters, it becomes necessary to install a monitor of some kind. Otherwise, we have a blog community as we do now.

If your comment is about me, just say it- if I remember correctly someone was making fun of me in the name of Christianity and wanted a transfer. Correct? Am I that person?

Well, sir if I am- If I offended you that was not my intentions- I am sorry- but rude ugly unchrist remarks are uncalled for-just remember that. You do remember the conversation don't you.

BTW- Hannity is correct you are known by the company you keep.

So, do you still want that transfer?

Hey, I am at peace with this- someone thought they were holier than thou. huh?

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We Will Stand

Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

So, all is well, I am a sweetie on your list huh?

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We Will Stand

"So, I don't get your point, really."

My point was that if you desire a truce and a lessening of hostilities on this forum you should lead the way. I voiced a thought that because of your continuous history of hostility on this forum that you should lead in being civil and accepting. It was a valid suggestion. Instead you state you could care less what I think about your credibility and call me ilk. Then you turn the tables on me and state that I have no credibility because of the company I keep. The company that I keep or read is you and the rest of the bloggers.

If you want change then let it begin with you and that way you can lead by example and show who is the bigger person here over Mrs. Conner and Mr. Git. Please don't demand something from others that maybe you are unwilling to do yourself. As an educator, I think this should be a very elementary principle to follow. Believe it or not this method works very well with children. I do not see why it wouldn't work here.

Thank you for listening.

"Much more diversity (blacks, gays, liberals) in Atlanta!"

Sounds wonderful. Why don't you live there?