The 800 Page Amnesty Bill is dead, Now what?

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I have always thought Bill O'Reilly was arrogant and imperious; however, I also think he is a smart man.

While reading one of his articles, I read his immigration proposal and liked it. After nearly a week of reflecting, I REALLY like it.

I wanted to share it with you, in hopes of getting your opinions. Here it is:

1) Secure the southern border with 700, not 300 miles of barrier, double the border patrol and back them up with 10,000 National Guards people. That would effectively shut down human and drug smuggling from Mexico.

2) Require all illegal aliens in the country right now to register at the post office with Homeland Security. After registering, they would be given a tamper proof ID card, designating their status and their right to work temporarily in the USA. If the illegal aliens do not register, it's a criminal felony. Right now sneaking across the border is a civil action. Remember that. Subjecting the person to immediate deportation or jail time. The criminal penalty goes way up.

3) Any business that hires an illegal worker who doesn't have a tamper proof ID card faces draconian fines and possible prison time for the executives.

4) Each illegal alien would have his case reviewed by federal authorities. And they would decide who would receive a Z-visa to stay and who would not. That takes the blanket amnesty, something many American hate, off the table. It also allows the feds to make rational decisions about who's helping America and who isn't.

Under that banner, no illegal alien who commits a crime while here would be allowed to stay. Also under that program, no welfare of any kind would be paid to folks here illegally. They'd have to work for their living.

Again, any illegal alien who didn't cooperate with the new law would immediately become an outlaw. And immediate action could be taken against that non-citizen who doesn't comply. That would end the sanctuary city madness and give the federal government more tools to regain control over this out of control situation.

I realize it isn't 800 pages of political avoidance and it certainly lacks the Latin terms taken out, dusted off and interjected by the up and coming congressional aids, but it sure does make sense. You know what else? I think it could pass the 'smell test' that the Kennedy/Bush bill failed and could become law.

What do YOU think?

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Submitted by DragNet on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 9:08pm.

With the inability of Congress and Bush to act, now we sit back and contemplate how millions keep crossing the border knowing they will eventually be pardoned by Bush, "The Pardoner".
Seriously, did you watch Michael Chertoff blaming it on Congress and admitting he can do NOTHING to stop the flow of immigrants thru the borders? What can we expect?
You're suggestions, Mixer, are totally impractical, though they provide an escape valve for the frustration of seeing the U.S. being taken over, silently and subtly, by a foreign wave. Let's hope that when our government decides to act, we will still have time to bet for assimilation of this wave of immmigrants. Here lies our only hope of avoiding disintegration. One thing is for sure, the ethnic landscape is changed forever. Demographics seem to favor immigrants over our aging population.
I'm learning Spanish already....

Making you think twice......

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 4:36pm.

What engineering company did he use for 700 miles is all needed? Halliburton, I bet.
I don't know what doubling the border patrol means nor where they would be stationed (on the 700 miles or elsewhere).
If 30 million or so "register" they would be allowed to work. (they work now). Crowded post offices?
Issue 30 million tamper proof cards that companies can verify---right, I thought they weren't in the business of verifying illegals. Those things might cost $300 to counterfeit!
Then, the real kicker, the feds would review 30 million or so registrations and decide whom to keep and whom not to keep. Right! Our GS 10s are so fast and so good at this!
The only person a worse joker than O'Reilly is you.
Quit hiring them now if you can't take the time to check them out, and put "IN JAIL" those who hire them anyway. I guarantee you they will find a way to determine citizenship if they may go to jail.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 3:26pm.

can be found ...drum roll please... in Mexico. They don't play around. Some websites acknowledge that Mexico deports more illegal than the US. It's a federal offense with jail time up to a year. Hire an illegal in Mexico and you go to jail. If you are caught a second time it's 10 years in a classy Mexico jail. Why don't we just adopt their plan?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:31pm.

I have never understood why the Mexicans violate the law for working illegally for a company but the company hasn't violated any law.
Also, how can O'Reilly be ignorant and smart at the same time? He is a deliberately lieing entertainer and will soon be rich enough to retire.

Submitted by appen on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:21pm.

If you build a 50 foot wall they will build a 51 foot ladder.
We have spent billions and billions trying to stop the export of coke and heroine and now meth from central and south america to the states and it has done essentially nothing to stop or slow down the flow across our borders one way or another. Is there a reason to think that this would be any different?
Do you really want to start laws that put employeers in prison for hiring practices...sometimes the cure is far worse than the disease and this very well could be one of those instances...
So where does this leave one?
The practical approach has to be to let them come but under control - managed - so they can work, earn, pay taxes, etc... If the system set up is realistic and coming across legally has a greater reward and the work to get to the reward is realistic, they will come across the way we want them to. Fences, Army on the borders, SecretPolice busting employeers is the least likely to get us where we want to go I think..

And in the long run there is only one and one-only guarantee that we can avoid/prevent this problem and also, in so doing, ensure the economic vitality of our country and that is to do everything we can to foster economic growth and development in their countries - so they become better markets for our businesses and so they don't want to leave their countries....

The success of Al-Quida, the Taliban, extreme totalatarian governments is build on conditions where the people have no economic hope, no reasonable prospects of jobs, no chance in hell of ever doing more than barely feeding themselves... in those envoronments one finds seeds of radical idiots and radical religions and totalitarian governments.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:28pm.

I have said 50 times; imprison a few employers for hiring and it will soon be over--the Mexicans will go home and the employers will hire Americans or legal Mexicans.
About that 50 foot wall: That would be too high for the standard Walmart or Home Depot ladders. Tunnels or ramps would be the thing then.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 1:39pm.

Sounds good but I have a problem with tasking the Guard with border patrol. I think it would lead to no guard after awhile as people would stop enlisting and it would put undue hardship on them as in how long can a job be held open for a guardsman. I think we should use our regular troops.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

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Submitted by Mixer on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 1:48pm.

What if the military bases within 200 miles of the border all relocated to the borders so that the 'fence' was a common border with the base?

I have been to dozens of bases in Texas and California that could be relocated and serve two purposes.

I also think the proposal could be 'tweaked' but not 800 pages worth.

All good points Hutch. I appreciate your suggestions.

I guess 'we the people' are going to have to take the lead in this since the politicization of this is, apparently, trumping our national security concerns.

If WWII had been covered by the Modern Media: Great Video

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:18pm.

I've got a better idea; build two fences, one about where it is now and another about one mile into the USA. Both would have moats watered by deep wells and full of Crocodiles and Snakes.
The land part between the walls would be stocked with lions, tigers, Boa Constrictors, Anacondas, Grizzly Bears, Leopards, Panthers, Wolves, and two or three Sasquatches. Plus, numerous smaller and helpless animals as food for the others.
I don't think this is half as ridiculous as putting all of our bases on the border in jeopardy of being overrun.
Walls don't work!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:00pm.

we could have the regular troops use the new enlistments as guards while we train them for their regular duties. Moving the bases sounds good but how to get the land for new bases I think a lot of landowners would object to losing their land.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:23pm.

My proposal simply gives Dick Cheney the authority to run the settlers off the land needed. He would simply turn some of the wild animals loose first, and after the settlers left, build the two walls. Could also put all of our toxic dumps on this land instead of the animals. What could little old Mexico do?

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 07/02/2007 - 2:30pm.

You need to cut back on whatever drugs you're taking, your idea of comedy is not funny. Why don't you be quiet till you can come up with a constructive idea. Oh that's right, that will never happen, so go on and make all the stupid statements you want, we're not laughing at your jokes, we're laughing at you.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 07/04/2007 - 6:59pm.

I've told you several times: put employers in jail who hire them, they will go home.
Can't get any more constructive than that!
All this other crap is "feel good" things.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/04/2007 - 7:06pm.

Go feel yourself

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by appen on Tue, 07/03/2007 - 4:32am.

The minute that "immigration/illegal immigration" is seen as a potential asset instead of a liability the whole problem will begin to be solved. The US is at a crossroads geo-politically and in our evolution as the nation-state and decisions we make about immigration will probably most significantly determine if we begin our slow descent or continue our ascent as the worlds power and beacon for Democracy. "Immigration" can become our new "natural resource" and our competitive advantage in the world into the 21st century. Joke about it all you want to and allow the nuts to continue to defeat rational/commen sense legislation/public policy on immigration and watch your children and grandchildren suffer the consequences.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 07/03/2007 - 5:59am.

I believe your earlier post said it best "The practical approach has to be to let them come but under control - managed - so they can work, earn, pay taxes, etc...". That's what the existing immigration laws are designed to do. But this is not working since many are circumventing the "control" part.

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