How bad can it get in PTC and Fayette County?

More proof that we’ve got probably the worst city council in the history of Fayette County on our hands.

God forbid that we listen to those idiots (a.k.a. “voters," "homeowners" and "citizens”) about annexation. Peachtree City only sent out the citizen surveys to appease them, not to ask for direction. Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett has turned out to be Peachtree City’s version of Marie Antoinette. We’re going to get a “proactive” annexation. Is that anything like rectal exam?

Mayor Harold Logsdon could learn a few tricks from the Fayette County Commissioners on how to get an undeserved pay raise for a part-time job. The commissioners tie their salary to the base salary for superior court judges in the state. When the judges get a bump so do the commissioners without a nasty public vote.

Although Mayor Logsdon was so greedy, wanting double the pay, the judge method would have probably been too slow for him.

On a positive note, three cheers for Steve Brown for telling it like it is on TDK! Somebody really needs to check Mayor Logsdon for brain wave activity. Just how will two lanes and same amount of cars make things better Harold?? Lay off the hard stuff how about it.

Read the truth below:

TDK: 2 or 4 lanes, trafficwill still be horrendous

Tue, 03/06/2007 - 5:53pm
By: The Citizen

I was at a dinner party Saturday in Lawrenceville. Most of the 30 people in attendance were long-time residents of Gwinnett County.

Each of them complained about how bad crime and their traffic has become. Their elected officials opted for another shopping mall and more “big box” power centers in the area several years ago.

Then County Commission Chairman Wayne Hill promised the residents that the economic benefits of building the shopping on steroids would propel them to greatness. Instead, all of their negative indicators are shooting upwards, especially traffic congestion.

Now Gwinnett is rushing to pull out of the riptide of false prosperity. They are initiating a program starting at tens of millions of dollars to reverse, in their words, “emerging blight and poverty” and a “declining tax base and falling wages.”

No, Peachtree City and Fayette County, big box stores are not a panacea or quick fix for budgetary woes. Each big box comes with a significant price and that price is greater than tax revenue.

If you want to protect the traffic capacity on Georgia Highway 54 and our quality of life, do not allow more traffic hoarding big box stores in the city. It is not hard to figure out.

Switching gears, was anybody really surprised to read the headline, “PTC Council’s new traffic plan already obsolete,” (The Citizen, Feb. 21, 2007)?

For the life of me, I will never understand why the former PTC mayors rallied behind an unfair and problematic SPLOST plan that, without doubt, fails to address serious traffic problems in PTC’s future.

A Dames & Moore study showed significant problems ahead with the intersection of Ga. highways 74 and 54 back in 2000, years before the TDK development situation surfaced. The “SPLOST at any cost” backers cannot plead ignorance.

The new state SPLOST law with bipartisan support in the legislature should have been honored, and PTC should have received an additional $34 million.

The fact that Mayor Logsdon is still trying to convince everyone that the TDK Extension is going to help PTC/Fayette County is senseless. Please note, the traffic data WITHOUT TDK and the accompanying development are horrendous, so explain to us how tens of thousands more cars make things better.

The large pavilion-style shopping center proposed for the Coweta side of TDK will bleed Peachtree City and Fayette County of millions in sales taxes annually and cause traffic back-ups. The shopping giant is solely dependent upon direct access to Hwy. 74, and it goes away without it.

That is why the developer is willing to foot the bill for the four-lane bridge — which would be needed — to Hwy. 74.

Mayor Logsdon made the following comments in an editorial he wrote in The Citizen in February: “I stressed that my position was two lanes or no lanes — anything more will bring too much traffic to Hwy. 74.” “It will help employees reach our industrial park.” “I also think it is important to have an alternate route as the surrounding areas (Fayette and Coweta) grow so that Hwy. 54 does not become gridlocked. A two-lane road will accomplish this without overburdening Hwy. 74.”

Those ill-advised statements from the mayor show a real lack of intelligent thought on traffic planning and development forecasting. We know the situation is bad because we have the traffic data and the numbers [are] bad. It is so bad that the transportation plans without the TDK projections are obsolete.

There is a genuine reason GRTA says PTC will have to spend a massive amount of cash to mitigate the impact of the TDK Extension (most of which is not included in the SPLOST). GRTA is not being evil; they are being realistic.

No matter how many lanes you build the TDK Extension, the amount of traffic the development on the Coweta side generates stays the same. The mayor saying two lanes means less traffic on Hwy. 74 makes absolutely no sense.

If you are going to drain a container holding 50 gallons of fluid, it doesn’t matter whether you use a half-inch hose or a one-inch hose, you will still release 50 gallons of fluid either way. A knowledgeable prediction is the smaller hose will drain the fluid at a slower rate.

If you substitute cars for fluid in this example, we will have more traffic congestion with the smaller channel. So the mayor wants the two-lane, more-traffic congestion model.

Now how can you realistically use a heavily congested two-lane road as a short-cut for the workforce living in Coweta? Since the traffic volume remains the same on the Coweta side, how will TDK not “over-burden” Hwy. 74?

Most importantly, the mayor has no plan on how we are going to mitigate the negative impacts of the traffic from TDK on our other roads and intersections. There are no funds in the SPLOST to accomplish the needed improvements.

Someone on the City Council needs to step up and create a diplomatic process where we can discuss the future negative impacts of uncontrolled growth with the Coweta governments. Placating the Coweta County Commission with the construction of the TDK Extension only emboldens them to continue reckless development patterns which will cause disastrous infrastructure problems for us all.

Developer funding of campaigns and catering to special interests is getting in the way of sound, rational decision making. Do not build TDK.

Steve Brown

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 03/08/2007 - 9:55am.

If you want to know who needs the TDK bridge, just don't build it and see how many developments Coweta county puts in over the creek.
They will not build the bridge themselves.
What spending we could get from those people isn't worth the effort. Build our own!

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Submitted by CCB on Wed, 03/07/2007 - 6:28pm.

Brown is dead right on this one. If TDK and the two bridges are left two lanes, we will see traffic problems of historical proportions.

Harold Logsdon, if he had half a brain, should be saying, "FOUR lanes or not at all." Logsdon has no leadership ability at all and he's made a terrible mess out of this TDK situation.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 03/07/2007 - 2:46pm.

As our past bored Mayor said, if you drain a 50 gallon barrel, the 50 gallons has to go somewhere. Nobody said that the entire 50 gallons had to come through TDK on 4 lanes. Granted most will come to PTC (to get to I-85) in some way or another, but they don't have to come out of the same place. If Coweta were a barrel, with no other exit points, his point would have some validity.

I still say, that access across Line Creek, both East and West, will be this areas biggest issue in years to come. That will be where we have the most bottlenecks.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 03/08/2007 - 9:29am.

When TDK is built, then they'll have two drains. As with all analogies of this sort, that means twice the volume of traffic can get onto 74 north in the same amount of time.

The only problem with "drains" is that the flow downhill.

Remember, hots on the left, colds on the right and "stuff" flows downhill.

In this case thats toward PTC.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 03/07/2007 - 8:39pm.

Thanks for your guarded optimism McDonoughDawg. Your absolute-maybe-not on TDK is reassuring.

Vote Republican

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 03/07/2007 - 8:49pm.

You don't think access back and forth across Line Creek is an issue? Not sure what you think I'm dodging.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 03/08/2007 - 8:43am.

McDonoughdawg, you ought to be a politician with the way you make a smoothie out of the issues. They're always the wrong flavor though.

I’ve got to agree that TDK isn’t a smart move at all. A two-lane TDK is even worse, like taking 10 lbs. of flour and trying to force it in a 5 lb. bag.

You can’t help but wonder what’s in it for Logsdon. I can’t imagine anyone going to all the trouble he has to pull TDK throught the fire without some kind of goodie waiting at the other end of the process.

Look, the argument shouldn't be about access, it should be about massive developments which are harmful to our community. Steve Brown is right when he says if we build TDK, we just encourage Coweta to keep building the wrong kind of developments.

Vote Republican

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 03/08/2007 - 11:59am.

And I think they will use 74 to get to 85, it's a State Highway, totally understandable. When you get right down to it, 74/I-85 needs adressing and fast. Have you seen all the Townhomes/Homes/Apartments etc that Fairburn is throwing up? South Fulton has awakened.

It seems we disagree about the access across Line Creek. I simply think that more access will be needed to keep all access somewhat passable. Hwy 54 can only take so much. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about things. You seem to think we can somehow control what Coweta does, I don't.

Submitted by Jones on Thu, 03/08/2007 - 12:43pm.

McDonoughdawg, I think you missed Spear Roads point. He says, and I agree with him, that TDK encourages the more dense kinds of development. The Coweta County Commissioners have made it pretty clear they don't care about what happens on our side and they want to force us to build a four lane road. The only reason I can come up with for that is the development is very dependent upon the road.

I don't think there is much doubt there is a relationship between the very big developments and the TDK road. I agree with Steve Brown when he says the very big shopping center proposed over there probably wouldn't happen without TDK.

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