I read up on the Cherokee Nation vote and I have to agree with the Cherokees. It seems that at the end of the Civil war when the US freed all slaves and gave them the voting right, they freed the ones in the Cherokee Nation as well and told the Cherokees they should be free and have citizen rights. What I read was that the Cherokees have a modest income at best. Some of the other tribes have gambling, but they don't. However, since we stole everything of value from them and put them on a reservation, the US Gov gives them a small amount of money. Part of that meager amount of money is used to run clinics for them. They also have a very small amount of money set aside for a college fund and assisted housing for those who need it. Many, Cherokees who qualify for this money, don't use it as they feel it should be left for the ones in need. Because of this loophole that the US gov told the Cherokees to free their slaves and give them voting rights. The descendants of the ex slaves are taking it to the max and clogging their welfare system. Sweet Jesus! The Cherokee decided to put it to a vote if they should kick them out as they were not Cherokee in the 1st place. The ex slave descendants went n got a lawyer to try to stop the Cherokees from voting! God, some people have no shame! The Cherokees voted them out and now the ex slaves descendants are miffed. This is unbelievable! Isn't one source of US welfare good enough for some?

I have tried very hard to stay out of this, couldn't do it. The American Indians were treated the worst of all. The blacks were treated terrible also, but they refuse to stop blaming us. I didn't do it, and I apologize for everything my ancestors did to all of them.

My children were taught not to hate anyone because of their color or nationality. My grandchildren are taught the same. All of us have all kinds of friends.

oldbeachbear I agree with you about Jessie Jackson. I would never allow my child to do a report on him. May I ask what school suggested this?

Valleygirl is right about the pageants. They should be called Miss America not Miss white or Miss black America. Why do some racist blacks insist on having separate events? Aren't we all supposed to be equal? If I did some of the things the racist black people do (remember the parade) I would be attacked by Jessie and Sharpton on the national news.

The "white trash" name calling was below the belt. I am French/Irish and I could care less what color the bloggers are. Some of my favorites might be green, who knows. I'm colorblind.

Bas, you once called me a bomb dropper, here's another one.

My great grandfather was 100% Cherokee Indian. He lived n Georgia then in South Carolina. I do not NEED to have Cherokee status (a tribal card). I know where I come from and I am VERY proud of it. I think that anyone that can prove they are at least 1/8th American Indian can receive money from the Government. I may be wrong. I don't care about the money. I make my own money and I do it with a JOB. What I am saying is I am not on any type of Government welfare. Does anyone know the statistics of what racial statistic is on welfare(etc)are White, American Indian, Asian, Black etc. Do I need to guess? I am sure it is not the American Indian, nor Irish, nor German, or Swedish? It is the Blacks, can we give you anything else, like my house, want it? They are so pampered. With the other posts in mind, Blacks were sold into "slavery" by other Blacks, or they came to America as a slave to pay thier debt for getting here. So are you telling me that NO Irish, NO German, No Swedish (and I am guessing here)were never in slavery. COME ON, I didn't apporve slavery (I wasn't even alive) and I will not take responsiblity for any or all of my former relatives (although I am Cherokee Indian and Irish - good fit). What they did they did. Get over it and go on with your life. There are MANY successful Blacks - DO NOT blame me for the fact that your and yours are not. Go to college (United Negreos FUND). If we had a United Whites FUND - the NAACP would go crazy.

As such, If the pageant that my duaghter is is on March 10th was a Miss WHITE America or a Miss "American Indian" pageant the NAACP would go crazy. But it is ok to have Miss BLACK America pageant, can American Indians partcipate? We have dark skin.

GO HOME. YOU CANNOT REASON WITH ME. MY ANCESOTRS DIED WALKEING THE WALK. SO YOU ANCESOTRS WERE SLAVES. GROW UP. DANG IT.

There are very few 'pure whites' in the United States. We all probably can find Native American, African American, and European American blood in our gene pool. Intelligent, thoughtful people realize that there are many who do not condone slavery, - and therefore do not feel responsible for what was done in the past. My family (people of color) continues to contribute to the growth of this country by paying taxes, providing jobs through successful business ventures, educatiing others, serving in law enforcement, the judicial system and Congress. One of my great grandfathers was a slave; one was an Irishman who lived as a middle-class black man. (It was better for middle-class blacks than Irish in his time.) If our history were taught correctly and included the contributions of ALL Americans - we would not be having this discussion. However, our history includes the legacy of slavery - which has poisoned us all. (Jim Crow; Segregation; Denial of voting rights;) I understand the feeling of some posters of 'being tired' of hearing about 'black' history. I was tired for the first 20 years of my life of being denied my history in the public school system. (When I say 'my' history - it is important for me to understand the role of ALL Americans in forming this country.) You and others are to be commended for insisting that children are taught that more African Americans have contributed to 'history' beside Jackie Robinson and George Washington Carver. I am puzzled by your anger and regression into feeling the necessity for belittling anyone who may seem to disagree with some of your points. Sir - I am home. I not only went to college - I'm a fourth generation college graduate. There are many people of color in this state who can claim that. I am most grateful to call Georgia my home at this time of my life. I was born in California. My 96-year-old mother was born in Nebraska. We celebrated that we had lived long enough to vote in Georgia in 2004 with no problem whatsoever at the Fayette County offices. The majority of people that I meet in Fayetteville have the same concerns and interests that I have - and we very seldom base our relationship or opinions on our 'color'. Now it's a bit different when we discuss politics. . .but I do understand their positions, even though I don't agree with their positions. That's OK. I've met some of the young people who MAY compete in the pageant. They are the cream of the crop of American womanhood. They realize that the winner will have the poise, personality, and other qualifications to win the pageant. She MAY be a person of color. I hope you will be able to deal with that reality in 2007. This narrative was not an attempt to 'reason' with you. I accept your declaration that that is impossible. Have a blessed day.

. . .for your input.

They are not the minority at all, and I also feel these subcategories of African American, European White American etc is ridiculous.

. . . but as long as we use 'white' and 'other' - these subcategories will seem very important to those who need to feel 'different' or superior. I hate to believe that it will take an 'outside enemy' to make us realize that we are all Americans.

Maybe the reason that sometimes it isn't mentioned that a crime was committed by a "white" is because we just assume it was. We have to be told they was a "black". Or are you saying that we should assume the other way? BTW, you do know what assume means?????

Oh, as for the dress - sold it on ebay - made $100.00. Went to Buckhead bought another one........ Look for it March 10th. It will be the most beautiful dress on the most beautiful girl.

The Citizen clearly identified the suspect in the Oct. 2003 robbery and as a white male in his 20s. I don't have time to investigate the other claims. Maybe you should, BEFORE you make these statements.

I read the story immediately after the incident. I wondered what the perp looked like since he was on the run. Please give me the link from the INITIAL reporting on this. Please...

Kevin "Hack" King

Initial hotel assault story

Here you go fellas.

Hack, just FYI. The reason it's not mentioned in the story you posted is LIKELY because we also ran Reed's mugshot with the article; if memory serves that is.

Friday, October 24, 2003

$30K on table for info leading to suspect who torched clerk, robbed hotel

By JOHN MUNFORD
jmunford@TheCitizenNews.com

Maybe he looked innocent enough — fairly clean-cut and harmless — when he asked to enter the Hampton Inn in Peachtree City so he could use the bathroom.
But ultimately the unidentified white man in his 20s was as dangerous as any other criminal, tying up the clerk, sexually assaulting her and then setting her on fire, police say. It will be remembered as one of the city’s most violent assaults in recent memory.
The suspect in the Hampton Inn incident is still at large and still unidentified as of press time Thursday afternoon. Officials hope a $30,000 reward on the table will encourage someone to come forward with information leading them to the suspect.
Police released a sketch of the unknown assailant Wednesday afternoon after the hotel clerk, a white woman in her 50s, assisted a sketch artist from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Police Chief James Murray also confirmed that some money was taken from the hotel office, but he declined to say how much or whether the incident was caught on video.
Murray also declined to speculate on a possible motive for the crime or whether it was planned. He did say, however, that the aerosol cans used by the assailant to torch the victim “were lying around the office.”
There are indications, however, that the victim did not know her attacker. Although she was able to help out the GBI’s sketch artist at the hospital, police have not released the name of the suspect, only a description of him.
The GBI’s crime scene unit also assisted Peachtree City Police by processing the water-soaked scene, which was drenched thanks to the hotel’s fire suppression sprinkler system, police said. The sprinklers were set off by the flames when the attacker set areas of the Hampton Inn office on fire, police said.
The assailant, a white man in his 20s with dark brown spiky hair at 5’7”-5’8” with an average build, also set the woman’s back on fire, Murray said. She was in stable condition after the incident.
Before setting the fires, the suspect leapt the counter to the office, bound the victim and sexually assaulted her, Murray said. He also used a metal object, placed against the victim’s back, to make her think it was a weapon, the chief added.
Before setting her back on fire, the suspect placed several cans at the clerk’s feet in an effort to make them explode, Murray said.
“It’s a very bizarre crime,” Murray said, noting the suspect used spray cans found in the office for WD-40 and wasp spray to accelerate the flames. The small fires were set, apparently, to try and cover the suspect’s tracks, Murray said.
Someone staying at the hotel heard the clerk’s pleas for help after the assailant left and helped free her from where she was bound to an air conditioning unit. The “good Samaritan” also got the victim out of the hotel office by lifting her over the counter, the chief added.
Murray said he is concerned the suspect would attempt to commit a similar crime, but he was confident the assailant would be caught.
“I guarantee you we will solve this crime and bring this gentleman to justice,” Murray said Wednesday afternoon.
An officer was on the scene three minutes after the 911 call was placed near 12:30 a.m., Murray said. Area hotels get special attention from officers on the night shift and many times officers will walk into hotels to check in with personnel during their patrols, Murray said.
A hotel spokesman asked the community to keep the victim in their thoughts and prayers as she recovers from the third-degree burns, the most serious classification of the injury. The burns were limited to her back, police said.
Anyone with information on the assault is asked to call the Peachtree City Police Department at 770-487-8866.

I appreciate your efforts here. Oddly enough, I've combed the archives section and have not found the above. I am getting the "beating a dead horse" feeling with this topic, but if any of my fellow posters have tons of free time on their hands, go back to the jewelry store robbery post on line and to the meth bust in Fayetteville. You will see comments such as "imagine that. Black males." The reason you won't see similar comments as relates to the vast majority of perps caught by the PTCPD online sting, is there is a conspicuous lack of ethnic or racial ID with those crimes or the homicides mentioned in previous posts. I find it curious, but I suspect online interest will shift to Scooter Libby at this point.

Cheers to all,

Kevin "Hack" King

Here is John Munford's story in its entirety. Unlike the Kedron jewelry theives, golf cart assailants, movie theater robbers, and hooded pizza guy robbers in this addition who were all clearly identified as black males, the attempted murderer and rapist, Beau Christian Reed, along with the overwhelming majority of caucasion perpetrators, was not identified by his race. READ THE STORY YOURSELF! This is a well documented phenomenon in our "color blind" society. Society is not so color blind after all.

Posted from Archives, Peachtree Citizen, October 29, 2003:

Tips lead to solving PTC rape

By JOHN MUNFORD
jmunford@TheCitizenNews.com

Beau Christian Reed undoubtedly wanted to kill the Peachtree City hotel clerk whom he raped and set afire, according to Police Chief James Murray.

Before he left the Hampton Inn at the end of the attack last week, Reed also took a look at the victim’s license, leading officers to believe he knew her identity and address and could very well have tried to hurt her again.

“That’s when we knew we absolutely had to find this guy,” Murray said, adding later, “We felt he might do it again.”

That threat ended Friday afternoon when Reed crashed a car in Coweta County as he tried to elude a sheriff’s deputy.The officer wanted to talk to him about the car, which Reed stole from his roommate, police said. Reed was ejected from the car, which traveled at an estimated 100-plus mph before the crash, according to police.

Reed was pronounced dead at the crash scene, and Murray said while he took no delight in Reed’s death, he was relieved for the victim.

“She never has to go to court or face the person who burned and assaulted her,” Murray said.

The victim, a woman in her 50s, positively identified a photo of Reed as the man who tied her up, raped her and then set her back on fire, leaving second- and third-degree burns from her back to her neck, Murray said. She had skin graft surgery Monday and may return home in 10 to 14 days, the chief added.

Chief Murray has provided The Citizen with a significant amount of detail about the investigation into the attack; he was partly able to do so because it’s clear Reed was the perpetrator who bound the clerk, raped her and set her on fire, Murray said. With Reed dead, there will be no trial.

What follows are details provided by Murray during a 90-plus minute interview Monday afternoon about the violent incident and how the investigation played out.

Murray said it was “easier” to solve a significant case such as this because the department has a track record for solving smaller cases using investigative techniques they would also apply to finding the suspect in the hotel attack.

One of the priorities early on was to determine what type of suspect detectives were looking for. They knew some details thanks to information from the victim, such as the fact that the suspect smelled like smoke. But police were also able to make the following deductions, Murray said:

• The suspect had likely been arrested before and convicted on fingerprint evidence, since he torched several places he apparently touched in the office to try and get rid of the evidence.

• “It’s extremely unusual for a person to set a victim on fire,” so the crime was likely a matter of opportunity;

• Since the attacker used aerosol cans in the office to start the fire and torch the victim, it was unlikely the robbery-assault was well planned at all;

• “He didn’t wear gloves.”

• “He didn’t cover his face.”

• The attacker is believed to have used a metal object to the back of the clerk’s neck to intimidate her after jumping over the counter. Contrary to original reports, the building was not secured when Reed entered, but he did ask the clerk where the bathroom was moments before the attack;

• Rape is typically a crime committed by someone who suffers from a mental illness, Murray added.

But from the get-go this investigation put the Peachtree City police to the test manpower-wise. The hotel had to be shut down and 61 people had to be interviewed on the spot before other lodging was found for the night, Murray said. On top of that, some hotel patrons were still in bars when the incident occurred and several others “slept through the whole thing,” Murray said. Officers also logged each car in the parking lot and ran the tags on each vehicle there, the chief said.

“One, it could have been a person staying in the hotel,” Murray said of the need to make sure every person was identified and interviewed. “Two, it could have been somebody who met someone who was staying at the hotel and decided to do the attack. Three, it could have been someone making deliveries to the hotel or a service person.”

The most important part of the early investigation, however, was the crime scene, Murray said. “It’ll tell you something even if there’s nothing else to go on,” the chief said.

But the crime scene was a mess, with several inches of water on the floor from the sprinkler system that might’ve saved the victim’s life. Police believe Reed fled after the sprinkler system went off once he set fire to the clerk and several other places in the office that he may have touched using aerosol cans found in the office, Murray said.

“We had only a couple of useable fingerprints, and one wasn’t his,” Murray said.

With nine to 10 officers on the scene for the initial investigation, and all of them needed, the day watch units were called in early at 2:30 a.m. to cover the rest of the city, Murray said. Members of the Peachtree City Fire Department helped the police assist hotel patrons in retrieving items from their rooms so officers could focus on the investigation, Murray added.

A press release about the incident was faxed to media outlets after 8 a.m. the morning of the attack so the public could be warned about the incident, Murray said.

Officers collected about 50 videotapes from surveillance cameras throughout town from bars to convenience stores to see if the then-unknown suspect might have made an appearance before the attack. No luck there, however.

They also followed up on several promising but ultimately unsuccessful leads. Hospitals in the area were called to see if they treated someone with burns as the suspect may have burned himself during the attack; a hospital in Griffin reported that they treated a male of the same age as the attacker’s description soon after the attack. Detectives were sent to the scene and it was determined the patient was treated for burns a short time before the attack even occurred, Murray said.

Meanwhile, the GBI’s crime scene unit spent over 12 hours processing the crime scene for physical evidence.

All stray cigarette butts were collected since the victim said her attacker smelled like he had been smoking, Murray said. The butts could have contained the suspect’s DNA from saliva, the chief added, but other DNA evidence was available to identify the attacker.

The victim, who was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital, was able to work with the GBI’s top sketch artist to produce a sketch of the suspect that was broadcast by Atlanta area TV stations the afternoon of the attack. That was the best way to seek the public’s help quickly, and time was of the essence as the first 24 hours of an investigation are crucial, Murray added.

Calls poured in to the police station, with callers saying they had seen him here or there. But it wasn’t until an unidentified woman called providing information that gave detectives a name to go on: Beau Christian Reed. The woman was an employee of the hotel who knew Reed, and she said he had spoken with her in general about the attack after it happened. She also said he had previously asked about security at the hotel, Murray said.

Reed’s roommate also cooperated with police, providing the information about the clothing Reed wore during the attack and how Reed watched him start a fire in the fireplace of their Coweta residence using a lighter fed with spray from an aerosol can.

“I told him, ‘You’re a real hero,’” for coming forward, Murray said.

Reed’s roommate previously worked at a different Hampton Inn and he told police that Reed had questioned him about the hotel’s security procedures.

Police also learned that Reed would sometimes come to the hotel and use the bathroom, perhaps for doing drugs, Murray said.

Police also learned the following about Reed, who worked at the Applebee’s restaurant in Fayetteville, Murray said.

• Was not working the night of the attack;

• Needed money to pay for rent;

• Liked to start fires, strike matches and enjoyed the smell of a match (the attacker asked first for matches before getting a lighter to set the fires at the Hampton Inn);

• Was a suspect in a fire at a home of a neighbor of his grandparents; checks were stolen from the scene and passed by the suspect;

• Enjoyed watching criminal investigative shows on television;

From officers and secretaries, police employees offered to stay late and some cancelled vacations to help track down the assailant, Murray said. Flyers were distributed all over the city in an effort to flush out the attacker.

And early Wednesday morning, when it was apparent hotel patrons wouldn’t get to stay in their rooms for the evening, Fayette County 911 dispatchers summoned Fayette School Superintendent John DeCotis, who had two buses on the scene within 20 minutes to transport the displaced persons to other lodging. In the end, the buses weren’t used and the patrons were allowed to get their belongings from their rooms before departing for the evening.

Murray said he didn’t recall anyone eating much during the investigation except for “maybe five minutes” when some kind soul delivered some pizza to the department once. He reminded officers to make sure and get rest otherwise all the evidence “would start to blend together” for them, but he admits he didn’t get but two hours sleep from the time he went to the crime scene early Wednesday morning until early Saturday morning.

Murray was also complimentary of Fayette County District Attorney Bill McBroom, who made his office available on a 24-hour basis to assist with the warrant process and other aspects of the investigation if necessary. The Atlanta Police Department’s Homicide Squad also offered assistance to the department, Murray said.

Several young Fayette County sheriff’s deputies were able to provide some information on Reed also, Murray noted.

Early on, the department organized a task force consisting of all the department’s detectives and several other officers around the same age as the suspect. The task force, led by Lt. John Jenkins, head of the department’s criminal investigations unit, split up into teams that worked 12 hour shifts.

Although some agencies wait until the investigation stalls to offer a reward, Murray said he wanted the money out there because the first 24 hours of the inquiry are crucial in getting leads to find suspects. He also had officers canvassing the city distributing fliers of the sketch created by the victim’s description.

“We wanted him to see himself,” if the suspect ran across a flier in town, Murray said. “We wanted him to panic and make a mistake.”

While others were working on leads in Peachtree City, Detective Sgt. Jennifer Michel was assigned to the victim at Grady Memorial Hospital; Michel specializes in dealing with victims, particularly those who have suffered sex crimes and her work was vital, Murray added.

But Murray’s role was largely in the background. “Major (Mike) DuPree and I acted as coordinators.”

“This is the kind of crime that grips a community,” said Murray, who served for five years as the head of the homicide and violent crimes unit of the Savannah Police Department. The department received “hundreds” of calls from concerned residents about local schools, shopping areas and doctors offices concerned about the crime, Murray said.

“It’s the community that helps police solve crimes,” Murray continued, explaining why the department released so much information so quickly via the metro Atlanta electronic news media. And with an extra $3,000 reward money approved by City Manager Bernard McMullen, police were able to offer $15,000 worth of incentive to turn in the suspect. The reward was later matched by another $15,000 from the owners of the Hampton Inn.

Although during Murray’s stint in homicide/violent crimes in Savannah he worked with detectives used to that challenge, detectives here had little experience investigating such acts but they still worked together well, the chief said.

“I told them I was very proud of them,” Murray said, “Of their dedication and commitment to bring this animal to justice.”

The department has received calls from people wanting to assist the victim in a variety of ways, Murray said. Because she is a rape victim, her identity must be kept confidential but any items such as cards sent to the department for the victim will be passed along to her, Murray said.

After police learned of Reed’s death in the auto crash, detectives got one more tip that could have bolstered the case against the former graduate of McIntosh High School.

Before the attack, Reed had been at the Hangar 74 bar, rather near the Hampton Inn. Somehow, Reed slipped out, leaving his credit card and a picture I.D., perhaps in an attempt to establish an alibi for the crime, the chief added.

Reed could not be found by bar employees so his open bar tab was charged to his card at 1:30 a.m., shortly after the attack took place, Murray said.

Finally, WRKHRD4It (unless it is research apparently), let me quote you, and hit the roots of your problem:

"I don't have time to investigate the other claims. Maybe you should, BEFORE you make these statements."

Maybe you should as well, mi amigo.

Kevin "Hack" King

Citizen archive states, white male in his 20s. I think this was the initial story. This was also repeated in the Sunday Oct. 26th Citizen. The story you linked was written after this SOB was dead. There ya go..Amigo.

Too much work? How about the several other cases I mentioned? Any luck there? Pedophile predators of the internet, TDK murder, Last several child molesters, house party homicide? Any luck with those? I'll wait patiently,

Kevin "Hack" King

You never give up Hack, even when you’re clearly wrong. Just look up the article on Oct. 24, 2003. It takes about 10 seconds!

You made the incorrect statement, you do the homework. You seem to have found the Oct 29th article easy enough. As far as the other references, I agree with you there. Have a great day .

. . .is that few groups have been as maligned and ignored in this country as this group in the telling of the 'history' of this country. Those who have been taught of the 'white supremacy' era of our history should understand why historians/citizens of today are trying to correct the mistakes of the past - with the truth! The real story of Manifest Destiny would/should have included the life style and history of the Native American. The real story of the Civil War should have included the political and economic reality of the importance of slavery (the owning/using human beings for manual labor without pay or 'human rights') to the salvation of the South. There are many in our country who are descended from Irish, Italian, German, French and English stock. . .but our racial code considers them 'white' - and therefore included in the telling of American History. The Italians appear to have overcome the 'Mafia' syndrome; the Irish, the 'dirty' syndrome; the Polish, the unintelligent syndrome. How? They were allowed to be 'superior' to Americans of color through law and practice. (Remember 'Jim Crow'?) We're on the road to living up to the words of our Constitution and Bill of Rights - which are beginning to be applied to all Americans. When you acknowledge in thought and practice that all citizens have contributed to this country - there will be no need for 'special education and months'. We will all recognize and celebrate all Americans!

this brain washing that is going on with the kids is wrong! Everyone in the south didn't have slaves and of the people who did have them, some owners were Black. History should not be re written...history is history and it should be presented as close to the truth about everyone as possible. One of the reasons for teaching children history is to let them judge from the facts of what has been done, what went wrong or right and to learn from this to make better decisions. It should not be done as a popularity contest among the races. To imply we should have a few years of white, a few of oriental, black, and Indian, is just plain stupid! It is not a Miss America pageant for goodness sakes. If you think everyone Black was running around in chains, you need to think again. In the 1850 census, they counted everyone who was FREE. In Ga there were 19,731 free whites, 1,352 free blacks, and 1,646 free mulattoes. In Louisiana there were 5,504 free white, 14,448 free mulattoes and 3,151 free blacks. In SC there were 12,737 free whites, 6,058 free mulattoes and 2,914 free blacks. So, it short of shoots a lot of holes in that theory.
You also mention the importance of slaves in the south. You may want to study about the Irish Immigrants that came in the 1840s-1855. They did the real ugly work for nothing. It has been written in several places, one that comes to mind, is the Mississippi levees. The planters would not use their slaves to build it because the work was too dangerous and slaves were an investment. The poor starving Irish immigrants would work all day for almost nothing and thousands died of malaria building those levees. For everyone that died there were many many more begging for the job. If they didn't work, there was no one to take care of them feed, cloth, and house them. They worked or died. No one gave them anything and they were badly used. This is all glossed over. There were race riots in NY because the Irish were being drafted to fight in the civil war only to come home and find their job was taken by a black. No one was done worse than the American Indian, and I mean no body, but I don't see a everyone falling all over themselves to improve the way of life for the Indians today, far from it. One reason that so many southerns don't know their family roots is that their ancestors came here cause they were being treated unbearably in their home countries. They didn't tell their kids much about it because they were wise. They felt that by retelling it and looking for pity would only make their children feel second best. They wanted them to be proud and positive. Now there is a good lesson for all to learn.

Exactly how many Irish slaves were there in the 1800s?

I'm curious.
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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Who was it that sold the "slaves" into slavery in the first place?

Generally, it was black folks in Africa who sold black folks into slavery. From what I understand, tribes that conquered other tribes routinely sold the vanquished into slavery.

I'm surprised that a piece of white trash like you bad_ptc had forgotten something like that! Your type generally has every single less-than-flattering and/or derogatory factoids regarding black people committed to memory! It makes you feel...empowered, right?

Care to enlighten me on how this bit of information is relevant to the original discussion, my white trash buddy?

It's people like basmati that brings back hatred and the use of your color to try to get ahead. I'll let you in on something, doesn't work
anymore.There will never be equal rights or people wanting to get along with your race when you go around calling people white trash. Anytime you use color, it is a racist intent comment. That's why Black Forums, black history month, etc., anything that mentions
the color of any race is wrong and must be changed. Black people
are not the minority anymore, surprise!!!!!!!!
It's the hispanics. It's people like you, basmati, that turn back the hands of time, one ignorant comment at a time. Be a man and appologize to everybody that has read your last "white trash" comment.

You seem to beat others over the head with words like "White Trash" as if it is your God given right. Do you know where the term "White Trash" came from? I do. The black house servants coined it, it was used by them to describe the Irish immigrants as they, the blacks, looked down on them. You seem to feel you are owed this entitlement, but if someone came back at you with the "N" word, Al Sharpton would be down here in the morn with the TV cameras rolling. People with the narrow mind set that you and DM have, feeling you are owed this is wrong. Teaching History, if we are going to make some group "Queen for the day", because of their skin color is wrong. As I said earlier it should be taught warts and all. Our children are loosing out in this pandering. We are teaching them nothing. When my child was TOLD to do an essay on an outstanding black, they were given Jessie Jackson. I called the school and told them that was not possible and we on our own, found a very outstanding black who held several US pattens. The whole thing is ill thought out and doing no one any good. All groups contributed and should be respected for it. The Irish, Indians, Scots, and Jews, yes Jews were some of the first in Ga., did you know that? You want to have a pity party and feel you are entitled to throw racial insults at it. I'm sorry, this country has a lot of brave, enduring, hardworking people who helped make it. We also have a lot of crooks and underhanded too that preyed on the immigrants and Indians. The children need to see this and make their own determination, of right and wrong. My feelings? You played a part in making this country, a part only, and should not be given center stage cause you are gonna throw a temper tantrum if you don't get it. There are just too many unsung heroes, as well as crooks and horse thieves in our history to let you hog it! just my thoughts and I'm sticking to them warts and all!

Someone said: People with the narrow mind set that you and DM have, feeling you are owed this is wrong.

Interesting that you feel I have a 'narrow mind set' when if you had read my 'contribution' you would see that I acknowledge the contribution of all Americans to American history. The sad 'truth' is that when America adopted a racist code system of 'white' and 'people of color' - the words of our Constitution were/are not followed. You are not one of the 'unsung heroes' - but certainly one who has a 'wart' problem. It is interesting that when anyone attacks the 'white supremacist' talking point - you attack that person. I think you might be surprised to know the true 'color' of those who feel that telling the truth about our history and including 'all who contributed' is not hogging history. All a citizen is owed is 'truth'.

I didn’t see you saying everyone deserved to be mentioned, what I did see was , “When you acknowledge in thought and practice that all citizens have contributed to this country - there will be no need for 'special education and months'.” You just want to keep beating us over the head with it. What I, and several others said, went right over your head. People are saying they are TIRED of it. ( And when people tire of something they tune it out, which is what I’m gonna do to you after this.) People don’t care if Blacks are mentioned, no one said that, what they did say is that you are re inventing history for the sake of it. I said, that it is best to teach history as it was, to kids. I have stated that over n over, and mentioned FACTS about the Irish that were left out, and also FACTS about how many FREE blacks and mulattoes were running around back then. When anyone tells me my kid is gonna get up in class and tell the world how great Jessie Jackson was, there is something wrong. As I also said, by child and I found a much more worthy black to talk about, making my point that I thought the whole thing is ill conceived. You don’t like any of that, all you like is that for 30 days or more our kids will be force fed the merits of Jessie Jackson. By beating our kids over the heads with it they are getting, boarded instead of interested, indifferent instead of curious, and apathetic where they may have, at one point, been compassionate. I don’t think you really care, but if you do, your purpose is being defeated by over kill. It would be much for fascinating for the children to have all the details so they could form their own ideas. And as for this deal of making the paper a scapegoat if they mention if someone is black. Hey, my thought is, you should be upset with the black who did the crime, rather than the paper that mentioned it. And as a last thought…if…as you say, and not how ..I… was taught, Italians = crime, Irish = dirty, and Polish = dumb, they all over came it …WITHOUT a national month for them in the schools where the kids are harped on about it. These groups have got their respect the hard way, they earned it.

Percentage wise according to the population, blacks do go to jail more often than whites. However, there are more whites in jail than blacks.
The types of crime are basically different: white collar crime is mostly whites, and armed robbery or theft is mostly black. Poverty is higher among blacks. Education is less among blacks.
Many reasons are given for these differences. Blacks willl not all abandon their basic heritage to assimilate as the europeans and orientals do. This is caused due to a late start at it by blacks due to slavery here of the blacks, but not of the europeans and orientals. However they have had time now to start assimilating. Some already have.

. . no point in beating on an empty head. Yours in filled with statistics that are well known to all - {note Bill Cosby}. My family has been assimilated for the past six generations. Welcome newcomers.

My point is that "FACT" is not taught during "Black History" in most schools.

Why is it that just the "white-trash" stories are the ones schools are teaching to the younger generations?

By the way, I did know the answer, I'm Irish.

I making the point that there were people in the South, Irish, who had it so bad they were envious of the blacks in some instances. If they didn't work, they and their families died of starvation right here in the US. No one took care of them. The Indians were forced marched in the dead of winter to OK because we sole their land. Woman and children froze to death needlessly, all because of our greed for their land. What I am saying is there was a lot of suffering done by all, no one group has a corner on it.

. . .no one group has a corner on it. (The history of suffering and discrimination)

True. But 'history' in our country has not 'ignored' the subsequent contribution of 'white' groups as it has the contribution of people of color until the end of the '1960's when we began to attempt to teach ‘true’ history in our public schools – and included ‘people of color’.

Are our children (boys and girls) going to research and write reports on Women's History? I would like to see it.

As a grandmother and great-grandmother, I remember when the only history that I learned about African Americans was in church and on my mother's knee. For the first twenty years of my life, without the input of family and church, I would have thought that Blacks were not a part of American history. In my history book, Crispus Attacks was portrayed as a 'pencil figure' - with no racial identity. As an educator teaching Black History to young Americans of Asian,Hispanic, and Native American decent, I was asked, "What were our ancestors doing during this period of history?" I see the day coming when American history will include the contributions of ALL Americans. In the past - our history was taught as if only 'whites' contributed. So please my fellow Americans, be patient. Circumstances will soon make it imperative that we acknowledge all citizens as Americans, regardless of their color or gender or religion. . . .and our history will tell the truth about all who contributed to this great nation. . . .with no need for 'special months'.